Re: Oracle 9.2 spfile catch 22

Yes, I can see the picture:

PHB comes in with a new install:
Hey Yechiel, install this and check it out. If it works OK you are going to be fired.

YES SIR, I drop everything else and make myself unemployed.

<LOL>

Yechiel Adar
Mehish
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To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com> Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 4:18 AM

> I want "no DBA required" so I can retire and relax for a while :)
>
>
> --- "Deshpande, Kirti" <kirti.deshpande_at_verizon.com> wrote:
> > I just like that 'dream' of 'no dba required' ;)
> > 'cause I have heard enough presenters mention it... the new self
> > tuning 9i,
> > the new 'everything dynamic' 9i and such......
> >
> >
> > - Kirti
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Jared.Still_at_radisys.com [SMTP:Jared.Still_at_radisys.com]
> > > Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 3:14 PM
> > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > > Subject: RE: Oracle 9.2 spfile catch 22
> > >
> > > > SPFILE concept is good and it is required for reaching the goal
> > of 'no
> > > dba
> > > > required', but it is still far from being 'ready for prime time'.
> >
> > >
> > > I really don't think the DBA will ever be eliminated.
> > >
> > > This kind of thing just gives us more time to spend on other
> > aspects
> > > of the database.
> > >
> > > Just consider how much database/computer savvy is needed
> > > to make runInstaller work. :)
> > >
> > > Jared
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Deshpande, Kirti" <kirti.deshpande_at_verizon.com>
> > > Sent by: root_at_fatcity.com
> > > 07/11/2002 01:37 PM
> > > Please respond to ORACLE-L
> > >
> > >
> > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > > <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
> > > cc:
> > > Subject: RE: Oracle 9.2 spfile catch 22
> > >
> > >
> > > I would get the DB to function the way I want first using init.ora.
> > Then
> > > switch to SPFILE from init.ora, while preserving a copy of working
> > > init.ora
> > > file.
> > >
> > > Also, when a parameter is changed dynamically with SCOPE=both or
> > spfile, I
> > > recreate my init.ora file as the backup.
> > >
> > > SPFILE concept is good and it is required for reaching the goal of
> > 'no dba
> > > required', but it is still far from being 'ready for prime time'.
> > >
> > > I stopped using SPFILE with a couple of my databases when I was
> > able to
> > > add
> > > db_cache_size to an spfile that already had db_block_buffers (two
> > mutually
> > > exclusive parameters). The next restart of the DB failed. It was
> > good that
> > >
> > > I
> > > had kept the init.ora file. I have not installed 9.2 yet, so I do
> > now know
> > > if such things are verified beforehand and prevented.
> > >
> > > HTH,
> > >
> > > - Kirti
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: DENNIS WILLIAMS [SMTP:DWILLIAMS_at_LIFETOUCH.COM]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 12:49 PM
> > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > > > Subject: Oracle 9.2 spfile catch 22
> > > >
> > > > Thanks to everyone for the ideas on the init.ora. You were
> > correct that
> > > > the
> > > > answer is indeed with spfile. Now I have discovered a catch-22.
> > > >
> > > > Oracle 9.2, Solaris
> > > >
> > > > 1. If spfile is created with LOG_ARCHIVE_START = true,
> > > > database will not start. Receive the error
> > > > ORA-00439 feature not enabled: Managed Standby
> > > > 2. Creating the spfile with LOG_ARCHIVE_START = false works and
> > the
> > > > database
> > > > starts. Issuing
> > > > ALTER SYSTEM ARCHIVE LOG START
> > > > works, but it isn't changed in the spfile, so the next time
> > Oracle is
> > > > bounced, the archiver doesn't start.
> > > >
> > > > This is starting to smell like a bug, but I thought I'd run it
> > past the
> > > > list
> > > > on the off-chance someone else has gotten archiving turned on for
> > 9.2.
> > > > Thanks.
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