Re: so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle

Hi Rafiq,

I'll let him know :). From the great, great hospitality shown by Steve to Jonathan, Cary, Anjo, Howard, me and others this week here at the Database Forum I think it's safe to say that Steve is fine - but busy. Steve is a very impressive guy in many ways. But I guess he has to prioritise in order to make ends meet. He's also extremely helpful, so I don't think he's quitting lists like this one without being forced to :).

Maybe - maybe - Steve will attend the Database Forum in Denmark in September. But he certainly will run the 3-day Miracle Master Class 2003 in January 2003 in Denmark. That should rock!

Best regards,

Mogens

Mohammad Rafiq wrote:

> Mogens
>
> How is Steve Adam himself? Like other listers I am feeling his
> absence very much from this list. You may request on my behalf(or on
> behalf of other listers like myself) that he must participate in this
> list...
>
> Regards
> Rafiq
>
>
>
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> Reply-To: ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
> Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 09:18:20 -0800
>
> Maybe it's time to provoke a bit :-).
>
> Situation: I'm sitting here in Steve Adams' house (about 7 meters away
> from the IxOra server, which is SO small - just like the LITTLE mermaid
> in Copenhagen - very disappointing), and Anjo, Cary, Jonathan and the
> rest have gone to bed.
>
> Whiskies available on the oak table: Bowmore and Ardbeg.
>
> Provocative Thoughts (aimed at generating discussion, please): Basically
> a P4 processor can run circles round a Unix processor today (in other
> words: Unix processors are loosing the battle). A customer today would
> get most bang for the buck by bying Intel instead of Unix processors.
> The problem, of course, is that you can only choose between Windows and
> Linux on the Intel platform. If - this is no longer a choice - you could
> choose Solaris on Intel, you would get so much bang for the buck that
> nothing could compete with it. If Intel could handle many processors
> that would be interesting, too.
>
> I think Unix processors are dying. I didn't like it when VMS died
> (because it's the best operating system that was ever built). But it
> died. Now what?
>
> Mogens
>
> Hemant K Chitale wrote:
>
>> Aah ! You _are_ looking at moving out of NT.
>> Why I don't think it is an enterprise class platform
>>
>> 1. Much poorer memory management [2GB, memory leaks etc]
>> than Unix.
>> 2. Cannot scale beyond 4 CPUs.
>> I AM surprised that you run a 450 users SAP
>> application on 4CPU, 2GB on NT. Try that with
>> Oracle Applications !
>> 3. Any patch (e.g. the security patches that come out
>> from Microsoft) requires a reboot of the server. I can
>> understand OS patches requiring a Unix reboot but a
>> patch to MSIE/Outlook/IIS on the same NT-box as the
>> database requiring a reboot of the server ? Unacceptable.
>> 4. I don't know how good Online Backups are on NT.
>>
>> Hemant K Chitale
>> http://hkchital.tripod.com
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, 25 May, 2002 4:33 AM
>>
>>
>>> 1) Not pulling any legs. That's what we run.
>>>
>>> 2) We have a few reasons to switch to another platform.
>>> I'm lobbying for Solaris with Veritas Database Edition. Many
>>> good reasons for doing so, but I'm beginning to have my
>>> doubts about financing it.
>>>
>>> One of our current projects is to put in place an enterprise
>>> class backup and recovery system. The current one is lacking
>>> in several respects.
>>>
>>> One of damagement's questions: "What happens if we do nothing?"
>>>
>>> Another was "What's the ROI?"
>>>
>>> PHB's abound.
>>>
>>> Jared
>>>
>>> On Friday 24 May 2002 08:03, Hemant K Chitale wrote:
>>>
>>>> No way ! You're pulling a lot of legs
>>>> [and hurting a lot of egos who take pride in
>>>> pointing out that NT is _not_ an enterprise-class
>>>> platform, me included].
>>>>
>>>> Hemant K Chitale
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
>>>> Sent: Friday, 24 May, 2002 8:00 AM
>>>>
>>>>> How about 250 Gig, 450 users on SAP 4.0B?
>>>>>
>>>>> 4 Cpu's 2 Gig Ram.
>>>>>
>>>>> Stop making me defend NT!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Jared
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Disser, Arno" <a.disser_at_sfs.nl>
>>>>> Sent by: root_at_fatcity.com
>>>>> 05/23/2002 10:23 AM
>>>>> Please respond to ORACLE-L
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>>>> <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
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>>>>> cc:
>>>>> Subject: RE: so when did you switch from NT to unix for
>>>>>
>>>> oracle
>>>>
>>>>> Here are my 0.02EUR
>>>>>
>>>>> Turn this reasoning around: Why would anyone use NT for a serious
>>>>>
>> Oracle
>>
>>>>> DB-server?
>>>>> Okay, for some minor development perhaps, but for an production
>>>>> environment?
>>>>>
>>>>> b.t.w., ever considered a switch to VMS?
>>>>>
>>>>> Arno Disser
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