Re: so when did you switch from NT to unix for oracle

Hi Mogens

Thank you very much for your nice and detailed reply....I hope Steve Adam might find time to participate in this fantastic list greatly administered by Jared Still...

Best Regards
Rafiq

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To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com> Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 10:01:15 -0800

Hi Rafiq,

I'll let him know :). From the great, great hospitality shown by Steve to Jonathan, Cary, Anjo, Howard, me and others this week here at the Database Forum I think it's safe to say that Steve is fine - but busy. Steve is a very impressive guy in many ways. But I guess he has to prioritise in order to make ends meet. He's also extremely helpful, so I don't think he's quitting lists like this one without being forced to :).

Maybe - maybe - Steve will attend the Database Forum in Denmark in September. But he certainly will run the 3-day Miracle Master Class 2003 in January 2003 in Denmark. That should rock!

Best regards,

Mogens

Mohammad Rafiq wrote:

>Mogens
>
>How is Steve Adam himself? Like other listers I am feeling his
>absence very much from this list. You may request on my behalf(or on
>behalf of other listers like myself) that he must participate in this
>list...
>
>Regards
>Rafiq
>
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>Reply-To: ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
>Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 09:18:20 -0800
>
>Maybe it's time to provoke a bit :-).
>
>Situation: I'm sitting here in Steve Adams' house (about 7 meters away
>from the IxOra server, which is SO small - just like the LITTLE mermaid
>in Copenhagen - very disappointing), and Anjo, Cary, Jonathan and the
>rest have gone to bed.
>
>Whiskies available on the oak table: Bowmore and Ardbeg.
>
>Provocative Thoughts (aimed at generating discussion, please): Basically
>a P4 processor can run circles round a Unix processor today (in other
>words: Unix processors are loosing the battle). A customer today would
>get most bang for the buck by bying Intel instead of Unix processors.
>The problem, of course, is that you can only choose between Windows and
>Linux on the Intel platform. If - this is no longer a choice - you could
>choose Solaris on Intel, you would get so much bang for the buck that
>nothing could compete with it. If Intel could handle many processors
>that would be interesting, too.
>
>I think Unix processors are dying. I didn't like it when VMS died
>(because it's the best operating system that was ever built). But it
>died. Now what?
>
>Mogens
>
>Hemant K Chitale wrote:
>
>>Aah ! You _are_ looking at moving out of NT.
>>Why I don't think it is an enterprise class platform
>>
>> 1. Much poorer memory management [2GB, memory leaks etc]
>>than Unix.
>> 2. Cannot scale beyond 4 CPUs.
>>I AM surprised that you run a 450 users SAP
>>application on 4CPU, 2GB on NT. Try that with
>>Oracle Applications !
>> 3. Any patch (e.g. the security patches that come out
>>from Microsoft) requires a reboot of the server. I can
>>understand OS patches requiring a Unix reboot but a
>>patch to MSIE/Outlook/IIS on the same NT-box as the
>>database requiring a reboot of the server ? Unacceptable.
>>4. I don't know how good Online Backups are on NT.
>>
>>Hemant K Chitale
>>http://hkchital.tripod.com
>>----- Original Message -----
>>To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
>>Sent: Saturday, 25 May, 2002 4:33 AM
>>
>>
>>>1) Not pulling any legs. That's what we run.
>>>
>>>2) We have a few reasons to switch to another platform.
>>>I'm lobbying for Solaris with Veritas Database Edition. Many
>>>good reasons for doing so, but I'm beginning to have my
>>>doubts about financing it.
>>>
>>>One of our current projects is to put in place an enterprise
>>>class backup and recovery system. The current one is lacking
>>>in several respects.
>>>
>>>One of damagement's questions: "What happens if we do nothing?"
>>>
>>>Another was "What's the ROI?"
>>>
>>>PHB's abound.
>>>
>>>Jared
>>>
>>>On Friday 24 May 2002 08:03, Hemant K Chitale wrote:
>>>
>>>>No way ! You're pulling a lot of legs
>>>>[and hurting a lot of egos who take pride in
>>>>pointing out that NT is _not_ an enterprise-class
>>>>platform, me included].
>>>>
>>>>Hemant K Chitale
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
>>>>Sent: Friday, 24 May, 2002 8:00 AM
>>>>
>>>>>How about 250 Gig, 450 users on SAP 4.0B?
>>>>>
>>>>>4 Cpu's 2 Gig Ram.
>>>>>
>>>>>Stop making me defend NT!!
>>>>>
>>>>>Jared
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Disser, Arno" <a.disser_at_sfs.nl>
>>>>>Sent by: root_at_fatcity.com
>>>>>05/23/2002 10:23 AM
>>>>>Please respond to ORACLE-L
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>>>>> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
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>>>>> cc:
>>>>> Subject: RE: so when did you switch from NT to unix for
>>>>>
>>>>oracle
>>>>
>>>>>Here are my 0.02EUR
>>>>>
>>>>>Turn this reasoning around: Why would anyone use NT for a serious
>>>>>
>>Oracle
>>
>>>>>DB-server?
>>>>>Okay, for some minor development perhaps, but for an production
>>>>>environment?
>>>>>
>>>>>b.t.w., ever considered a switch to VMS?
>>>>>
>>>>>Arno Disser
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