RE: newbie seeks career direction: become a DBA or DEVELOPER?

Or you can go straight into damagement. It requires no technical skills, no people skills and the innate ability to royally screw things up. Upon completion of screwing things up, leaving a mess for the DBA to cleanup, you then are promoted to a higher level damagement position with a pay raise.

;o)

Dave

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I always keep an open mind on these sort of things, I would suggest that you now look for an IT job, where you can get close to Oracle product and hopefully some people like are on this list. You are coming in with no experience it would appear, so you are in the same boat as a grad. You might try for some help desk role, and then find opportunities within that organisation to expand your skills. Developer, DBA whatever will come your way of you just keep at it. You also might like to consider looking at Oracle for phone support roles.

if you are enthusiastic and are adaptable and can express that to a prospective employer you might get into what you want. I think attitude and life experience are your catches for trying to get a role. Broaden your scope for the time being to allow you to get a toe in and then start working on the career path

A lot on the list here started out in some sort of entry role, the younger ones via hep desk or PC support roles and older ones via operator or grad programmer roles.

Cheers

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Sherry,

Sounds like good advice.  There is no way of actually knowing, but I'm 
sure
that the vast majority of DBAs on this list were systems- and
applications-developers first.  I still consider myself a "C" programmer
first and foremost even though nobody cares about "C" anymore, and just
about everything I learned that was undocumented was due to an 
understanding
of how "C" programs (like Oracle) work on UNIX (itself written in "C").  I
didn't make the switch to DBA until about 8 years ago, after about 10 
years
as a developer and sysadmin...

Of course, if you want to be the life of the party, be a dessert chef.  My
younger brother starts discussing the chocolate-chipotle-hazelnut-endive
tarts he made the other day, and instantly he is the center of attention.
Try doing that by discussing session waits...(yawn)...

-Tim

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> Hi gurus,
> I have taken a few Oracle DBA courses at UCLA Extension, passed my first
DBA
> certification exam, but have not been able to find an entry level 
position
> in this area. (My background is in printing and marketing... big career
> move...  I've been told my "timing is bad" cause the job market is bad
> here).
> It was suggested to me, by someone at the LA Oracle User Group meeting,
that
> I become an Oracle Developer first. Is this the path you recommend?
> Although I liked the UCLA classes, I was dissappointed that the Career
> Center was off limits to the Extension students. Can you suggest any
> better/cheaper classes in Southern California? Any with career 
placement?
> I have acquired many of the books that have been suggested in these
postings
> and have learned much by being a subscriber to this mailing list.
> Thanks in advance!
> SL
>
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