RE: Re[2]: Linux taking over at Oracle

The "consolidate, don't consolidate" goes to those areas where companies may have broke up a large site into smaller "hubs". These helped the processing because a hub would normally be closer than "central" and dedicated lines were VERY expensive and they still did a ton of printing.

So, we break down a $1 million site with $1 million of support staff and declare victory when we build 10 $100,000 sites with 10 $100,000 support staff. The arguments come that this will go down in time... It doesn't.. DBA's get very hard to find, and it's hard to keep one at a $100,000 site. You end up just training them.

In the meantime you find that the internet is getting faster and faster, VPNs start to come of age, dedicated frame relay lines get to be much more reasonable.

This gave the companies several approaches.. They could break up even more or could consolidate and still handle the traffic. So the $1 million site comes back, they now only need 1 senior DBA willing to work 80 hours a week. They don't have 10 rents, 10 staffs, 10 "still kind of expensive" computers, they only need one. There is enough work to keep those "hard to find" DBAs interested and pay them as little/much as they will accept and still stay. Stability comes back... to an extent.

Now, coming, may well be small Linux servers with 60-180 gig of storage and perhaps $4-10k per box. They will be remote, so corporate will still handle the data. If they go down, they simply rebuild one, and could be up and running in 24-48 hours, and it's only "one remote site"... They may well need a good, almost seamless remote administration, and NO SUPPORT staff on site. KISS... If Oracle comes down to perhaps $1-5k for the database based perhaps on Linux and cpu, they could get a Whole bunch of Oracle out there.

Send updates to corporate, distribute if necessary in near real time, and use the remotes to keep network traffic to near nil.

All this depending on size and application and things could change accordingly.

It just keeps getting more and more "interesting."

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> From: root_at_fatcity.com [mailto:root_at_fatcity.com]On Behalf Of
> dgoulet_at_vicr.com
> Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 8:45 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> Subject: Re[2]: Linux taking over at Oracle
>
>
> Jonathan,
>
> I remember reading an article in Oracle Magazine about a year to year & a
> half ago, where Uncle Larry was prostelatizing us to create one large database
> vs. having lots of small ones. So the screw turns once more!! Also I remember
> Oracle being torqued at RedHat some time ago & find that 9i is NOT certified on
> RedHat. Guess that will change! Also, for those who remember, Uncle Larry did
> predict that the "database would replace the operating system" some years ago.
> Funny how these ideas change, don't materialize, or have other problems that
> prevent them becoming reality. But then I guess that's what you get trying to
> read a foggy crystal ball!! :-)
>
> My problem with all of this is that he's pointing us towards cheaper
> computers and operating systems, but will the cost of Oracle itself follow?? I
> doubt it. Which puts a pile of us in a rather sticky position. How do you
> justify $40K for Oracle on a $10K computer with a $0 OS?
>
> My brain hurts.
>
> Dick Goulet
>
> BTW: Uncle Larry torqued off Apple (MacOS) some years ago when he dropped
> support for it all together.
>
> ____________________Reply Separator____________________
> Author: Jonathan Gennick <jonathan_at_gennick.com>
> Date: 1/31/2002 6:35 PM
>
> Interesting news. Makes me wonder though. Remember when
> Oracle moved to support client-server computing? Now Larry
> derides client-server and distributed computing saying
> that it's cheaper to have just one big system. How many
> times have you heard Larry talk about how Oracle's
> consolidated their email servers? Makes me wonder whether
> five years down the road Larry will be telling us that it's
> "silly to run a database on 50 cheap boxes" because it's
> much easier to administer one big one.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Jonathan Gennick
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> Thursday, January 31, 2002, 2:36:21 PM, you wrote:
> AMG0> Ellison says Oracle's 'whole business' to run on Linux
>
> AMG0> The Oracle chairman and CEO said the company will replace three Unix
> AMG0> servers
> AMG0> that run the bulk of its business applications with a cluster of Intel
> AMG0> Corp.
> AMG0> servers running Linux.
>
> AMG0> http://computerworld.com/nlt/1%2C3590%2CNAV47_STO67867_NLTAM%2C00.html
>
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