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Re: rdbms pricing

From: Terry Ball <terry_ball_at_csgsystems.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 09:20:51 -0800
Message-ID: <F001.002CEDB8.20010316060552@fatcity.com>

We have a support contract with IBM (for server support), and the support costs could be deceptive if you don't know how IBM works. The cost is on a per user basis. So if you only got one support license, your company would only be allowed to have one NAMED person calling in. If anyone else called in, they would not get any help. And IBM is verrrry sticky about answering only the named person(s).

Terry

P.S. Thanks, Dennis. This was a great help.

Dennis Taylor wrote:

> Since the list doesn't allow attachments, I'm just merging in all this as
> text. It may be messy. sorry.
>
> Oh, and these are Canadian prices. U.S. prices will be 50% - 67% of the
> stated values.
>
> My original RFP:
>
> =================================
> I am looking for quotes on RDBMS products for the following scenarios:
>
> Server Platform:
> 2x750 MHz Intel, running Linux or NT
>
> DBMS:
> Enterprise Edition or equivalent.
>
> Scenario 1:
> 1 server, 1 location, 50 users.
>
> Scenario 2:
> 1 server, 1 location, 400 users.
>
> Scenario 3:
> 5 servers, different locations, with the following user counts:
> 200 users
> 100 users
> 40 users
> 40 users
> 20 users
>
> Scenario 4:
> 1 server, serving up data for an internet-based web server.
>
> I would also like information on:
> Annual maintenance costs
> Version upgrade costs and patch availabilities.
> Cost of a separate server which will serve up data for an
> internet-accessible web server. Price for Enterprise and Non-enterprise
> versions if applicable.
> Policies concerning maintaining backup systems, i.e. do we need a
> separate license for a separate system that is intended only as a failover?
> Price of any recommended or required companion software that may not be
> bundled with the RDBMS.
>
> ================================================
>
> Notes on the results that I got:
>
> All quotes are for "Enterprise Edition" versions of the RDBMS's.
> "Workgroup" versions are available from all companies, and are considerably
> less expensive. They typically are limited in the ability to replicate data
> between servers. In the case of SQLServer, for instance, the 'Standard"
> edition of SQLServer cannot do clustering and automatic failover. In the
> case of Oracle, the "Workgroup" edition cannot do automatic replication of
> data to other databases. There are also system and programming features
> missing, such as partitioning and function-based indexes in Oracle.
> The Enterprise editions of DB2 and SQLServer come in unlimited-user
> versions only. The Oracle Enterprise edition requires a minimum 50-user
> purchase at our level, and "tops out" at about 300 users, after which it
> make more sense to buy the unlimited-user version.
> All vendors require us to pay for a backup system. Only DB2 has a
> somewhat cheaper price for the backup RDBMS license.
> DB2 and SQLServer charge per-cpu for the Enterprise editions. Oracle
> charges per-cpu multiplied by clock speed. This means that if we later
> upgrade to a newer server, we have to pay Oracle more money, even if the
> software doesn't change.
> All vendors promise additional price breaks and other incentives, given
> further "negotiations". It's very much a moving target.
> Oracle's support, although the most expensive, is also the most
> comprehensive. The figures quoted for Oracle support are annual amounts.
> No, I'm not kidding.
> The IBM annual support cost is ludicrously low, but I was unable to get
> anyone to deviate from it. I suspect a rat.
> It's worth noting that, if we went with IBM, we would be able to purchase
> the hardware and o/s from them as well, resulting in an "end-to-end"
> support contract.
>
> ================================================
> Scenario Oracle Support Upgrades SQLServer
>Support Upgrades DB2 Support
> Upgrades
> 1 server, 50 users 38,675 8,508.50 Included
>50,045 $245 per call 50-75%
> of new price 54,864 672 $267.00/yr
> 1 server, 400 users 168,750 37,125 Included 50,045 $245
>per call 50-75%
> of new price 54,864 672 $267.00/yr
> 5 servers, user counts:
> 200 127,400 28,028 Included 50,045 $245 per call
>50-75% of new price
> 54,864 672 $267.00/yr
> 100 63,700 14,014 Included 50,045 $245 per call
>50-75% of new price
> 54,864 672 $267.00/yr
> 40 31,850 22,295 Included 50,045 $245 per call
>50-75% of new price
> 54,864 672 $267.00/yr
> 40 31,850 22,295 Included 50,045 $245 per call
>50-75% of new price
> 54,864 672 $267.00/yr
> 20 31,850 22,295 Included 50,045 $245 per call
>50-75% of new price
> 54,864 672 $267.00/yr
>
> 1 server, internet accessible 168,750 37,125 Included
>50,045 $245 per
> call 50-75% of new price 54,864 672 $267.00/yr
>
> ================================================
>
> Enjoy.
>
> Dennis Taylor
> --------------------------------
> GINSBERG'S THEOREMS:
>
> 1 - You can't win
> 2 - You can't break even
> 3 - you can't even quit the game!
>
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