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Re:RE: OT NT2K vs Unix.

From: <dgoulet_at_vicr.com>
Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 13:34:51 -0800
Message-ID: <F001.002A8244.20010201134436@fatcity.com>

I believe I've seen a shareware version of that out on the web somewhere for various flavors of Unix with X-windows.

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Author: "Kevin Kostyszyn" <kevin_at_dulcian.com>
Date:       2/1/2001 1:18 PM

Oh, and not only that, I like the GUI a lot more than I like command based programming...unless.....can you play solitaire on Unix:)   -----Original Message-----
  From: root_at_fatcity.com [mailto:root_at_fatcity.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Welch   Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 3:28 PM   To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L   Subject: RE: OT NT2K vs Unix.

  From the URL:

http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/guide/professional/solutions/overview/r eliable/default.asp

  PCs Stay Up and Running
  Memory conflicts and missing or altered system files caused many of the system crashes prior to Windows 2000. To put an end to these problems, we changed Windows 2000 memory management to reduce the chance that software applications will interfere with one another.

  Applications runing in a seprate memory area...HMMMMMM Unix did that 15 years ago.

  Fewer Reboots
  Performing routine maintenance on your system requires significantly fewer reboots, therefore less downtime, with Windows 2000. In addition, with its support for Plug and Play, Windows 2000 automatically recognizes and adapts to hardware changes. This means users can easily add hardware devices such as scanners, DVD players, and speakers without rebooting, and with less potential for user error.

  Reboots are also reduced-and reliability increased-through the Microsoft hardware device driver certification program. This program helps ensure that hardware drivers are compatible with Windows 2000, and do not require a reboot after installation. Certified drivers are tested and digitally signed by Microsoft. If Windows 2000 detects a driver that Microsoft has not digitally signed, it warns users about the risk before they install it on their system

  Not having to reboot after installing an application....Unix from it's beginings.

  How Much More Reliable Is Windows 2000 Professional?   Third-party studies that assess reliability from three different perspectives-lab-based testing, customer-site measurement, and user perceptions-conclude that Windows 2000 Professional is the most reliable desktop operating system.

  Highest Reliability in Production Environments   NSTL collected uptime data in the real-world environment of several customer sites and concluded that the average system uptime between failures of Windows 2000 Professional is 13 times more than that of Windows 98 and three times more than that of Windows NT Workstation 4.0.

  Notice no comparison to Unix. It's like people that hangout with socially unacceptable people to make themselves look better (Hey! Wait a minute! Is that why alot of people want to hang out with me? ). I guess you're right they aren't the same. Unix posts much higher numbers.

  Sorry, it's sarcastic Thursdsay here. I love the debate about Windows and Unix. ;o)

    Kevin Kostyszyn <kevin_at_dulcian.com> wrote:

    I would disagree with that, how is Windows becoming like Unix?

      -----Original Message-----
      From: root_at_fatcity.com [mailto:root_at_fatcity.com]On Behalf Of Rocky
Welch
      Sennt: Thursday, February 01, 2001 2:01 PM
      To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
      Subject: Re: OT NT2K vs Unix.





      The same prediction was made at least 5 years ago. At the rate
Microsoft is going, Windows will be a direct form of Unix. It becomes more like it with every release.

      -Rocky

        "Mohan, Ross" <MohanR_at_STARS-SMI.com> wrote:

        Yea, but......

        Win2K Datacenter will just decimate Unix. I predict that, in
        5 years, there will be two or three Unix vendors, fighting over
        the 45% of the market that DataCenter hasn't eaten.





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From: Steve Orr [mailto:sorr_at_arzoo.com]]] Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 1:01 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: OT_RE:_Ref._:_Re:_asyn_i/o_on_sun_ Close. It's Dave Cutler. There's too much old DOS/Windows backward compatibility for WinNT/2000 to achieve stability like VMS despite Cutler's leadership. I knew VMS and you, Mr. NT, are no VMS! With apologies to Senator Bentsen, Steve Orr
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stephane Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 9:22 AM&< To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L NT is based on VMS (talk about a real OS) and if my memory is good the guy's name is Cutter. Do I win a toaster ? a microwave oven ? a palm-pilot ? --- "Mohan, Ross" <MohanR_at_STARS-SMI.com> a ecrit : > "...Standing, corrected, and sniggering....." > Odd picture, that...... > > > Anyways, pop quiz: > > On what OS kernel technology is NT based? > > Who was the original designer and what was his/her > first OS? > > -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.oraaafaq.com -- Author: Steve Orr INET: sorr_at_arzoo.com Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California && -- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists
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<DIV><SPAN class=125085120-01022001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Oh, 
and not only that, I like the GUI a lot more than I like command based 
programming...unless.....can you play solitaire on Unix:)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
  <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma 
  size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> root_at_fatcity.com 
  [mailto:root_at_fatcity.com]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Rocky Welch<BR><B>Sent:</B> 
  Thursday, February 01, 2001 3:28 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Multiple recipients of list 
  ORACLE-L<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: OT NT2K vs Unix.<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
  <P>From the URL:</P>
  <P><A 
  href="http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/guide/professional/solutions/overvi
ew/reliable/default.asp">http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/guide/professional
/solutions/overview/reliable/default.asp</A></P>
  <H3>PCs Stay Up and Running</H3>
  <P>Memory conflicts and missing or altered system files caused many of the 
  system crashes prior to Windows 2000. To put an end to these problems, we 
  changed Windows 2000 memory management to reduce the chance that software 
  applications will interfere with one another. </P>
  <P>Applications runing in a seprate memory area...HMMMMMM Unix did that 15 
  years ago.</P>
  <H3>Fewer Reboots</H3>
  <P>Performing routine maintenance on your system requires significantly fewer 
  reboots, therefore less downtime, with Windows 2000. In addition, with its 
  support for Plug and Play, Windows 2000 automatically recognizes and adapts to

  hardware changes. This means users can easily add hardware devices such as 
  scanners, DVD players, and speakers without rebooting, and with less potential

  for user error.</P>
  <P>Reboots are also reduced-and reliability increased-through the Microsoft 
  hardware device driver certification program. This program helps ensure that 
  hardware drivers are compatible with Windows 2000, and do not require a reboot

  after installation. Certified drivers are tested and digitally signed by 
  Microsoft. If Windows 2000 detects a driver that Microsoft has not digitally 
  signed, it warns users about the risk before they install it on their 
  system</P><A 
  href="http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/guide/professional/solutions/overvi
ew/reliable/default.asp"></A>
  <P>Not having to reboot after installing an application....Unix from it's 
  beginings. 
  <H3>How Much More Reliable Is Windows&nbsp;2000&nbsp;Professional?</H3>
  <P>Third-party studies that assess reliability from three different 
  perspectives-lab-based testing, customer-site measurement, and user 
  perceptions-conclude that Windows&nbsp;2000&nbsp;Professional is the most 
  reliable desktop operating system.</P>
  <H3>Highest Reliability in Production Environments</H3>
  <P><A 
  href="http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/guide/professional/reviews/nstl.asp
">NSTL 
  collected uptime data</A> in the real-world environment of several customer 
  sites and concluded that the average system uptime between failures of 
  Windows&nbsp;2000&nbsp;Professional is 13 times more than that of 
  Windows&nbsp;98 and three times more than that of 
  Windows&nbsp;NT&nbsp;Workstation&nbsp;4.0.</P>
  <P>Notice no comparison to Unix. It's like people that hangout with socially 
  unacceptable people to make themselves look better (Hey! Wait a minute! Is 
  that why alot of people want to hang out with me? ). I guess you're right they

  aren't the same. Unix posts much higher numbers. 
  <P>Sorry, it's sarcastic Thursdsay here. I love the debate about Windows and 
  Unix. ;o) 
  <P>&nbsp; <B><I>Kevin Kostyszyn &lt;kevin_at_dulcian.com&gt;</I></B> wrote: <BR>
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    <DIV><SPAN class=312000819-01022001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I 
    would disagree with that, how is Windows becoming like 
    Unix?</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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      <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma 
      size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> root_at_fatcity.com 
      [mailto:root_at_fatcity.com]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Rocky Welch<BR><B>Sennt:</B> 
      Thursday, February 01, 2001 2:01 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Multiple recipients of 
      list ORACLE-L<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: OT NT2K vs 
      Unix.<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><BR>
      <P><BR>The same prediction was made at least 5 years ago. At the rate 
      Microsoft is going, Windows will be a direct form of Unix. It becomes more

      like it with every release. <BR>
      <P>-Rocky <BR>
      <P>&nbsp; <B><I>"Mohan, Ross" &lt;MohanR_at_STARS-SMI.com&gt;</I></B> wrote: 
      <BR><BR>
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        <P><FONT size=2>Yea, but......</FONT> </P><BR><BR>
        <P><FONT size=2>Win2K Datacenter will just decimate Unix. I predict 
        that, in</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>5 years, there will be two or three 
        Unix vendors, fighting over</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>the 45% of the 
        market that DataCenter hasn't eaten. </FONT></P><BR><BR>
        <P><FONT size=2>-----Original Message-----</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>From:

        Steve Orr [<A 
        href="mailto:sorr_at_arzoo.com">mailto:sorr_at_arzoo.com</A>]]]</FONT> 
        <BR><FONT size=2>Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 1:01 PM</FONT> 
        <BR><FONT size=2>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L</FONT> 
        <BR><FONT size=2>Subject: RE:
OT_RE:_R&eacute;f._:_Re:_asyn_i/o_on_sun_</FONT> 
        </P><BR><BR><BR>
        <P><FONT size=2>Close. It's Dave Cutler. There's too much old 
        DOS/Windows backward</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>compatibility for 
        WinNT/2000 to achieve stability like VMS despite Cutler's</FONT> 
        <BR><FONT size=2>leadership.</FONT> </P><BR><BR>
        <P><FONT size=2>I knew VMS and you, Mr. NT, are no VMS!</FONT> 
        </P><BR><BR>
        <P><FONT size=2>With apologies to Senator Bentsen,</FONT> <BR><FONT 
        size=2>Steve Orr</FONT> </P><BR><BR><BR>
        <P><FONT size=2>-----Original Message-----</FONT> <BR><FONT 
        size=2>stephane</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>Sent: Thursday, February 01, 
        2001 9:22 AM&amp;&lt;</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>To: Multiple recipients of

        list ORACLE-L</FONT> </P><BR><BR><BR>
        <P><FONT size=2>NT is based on VMS (talk about a real OS) and if 
        my</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>memory is good the guy's name is 
        Cutter.</FONT> </P><BR><BR>
        <P><FONT size=2>Do I win a toaster ? a microwave oven ? a palm-pilot 
        ?</FONT> </P><BR><BR>
        <P><FONT size=2>--- "Mohan, Ross" &lt;MohanR_at_STARS-SMI.com&gt; a 
        &eacute;crit&nbsp;: &gt;</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>"...Standing,&nbsp;
corrected, 
        and sniggering....."</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>&gt; Odd picture, 
        that......</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>&gt;</FONT> <BR><FONT 
        size=2>&gt;</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>&gt; Anyways, pop quiz:</FONT> 
        <BR><FONT size=2>&gt;</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>&gt; On what OS kernel 
        technology is NT based?</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>&gt;</FONT> <BR><FONT 
        size=2>&gt; Who was the original designer and what was his/her</FONT> 
        <BR><FONT size=2>&gt; first OS?</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>&gt;</FONT> 
        <BR><FONT size=2>&gt;</FONT> </P><BR><BR>
        <P><FONT size=2>-- </FONT><BR><FONT size=2>Please see the official 
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        href="http://www.orafaq.com/">http://www.oraaafaq.com</A></FONT> 
        <BR><FONT size=2>-- </FONT><BR><FONT size=2>Author: Steve Orr</FONT> 
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