In all seriousness, Alex, you were obviously
frustrated by the question originally posed. While you
may feel that the question was not appropriate for
this forum, your delivery of that opinion was harsh.
I was searching for some information on the Cognos
Improptu reporting tool a couple of years ago. I did
my research using the internet, and I thought that the
product looked pretty good. I got the product, and
hated it. If I'd had a forum like this one, maybe I
could've gotten some real world stories about the
product, instead of the propaganda that Cognos
released about the product.
Likewise, is there anybody in this forum who has been
a DBA for so long that they can't remember sitting in
front of their computer, going blind, fourteen books
open in front of them, with the answer to their
problem staring them in the face, and not being able
to see it? (That was last week for me.. :) So, yeah,
some of the questions may seem simple, but I'm not
going to be the one to tell that DBA who sitting at
their terminal frustrated, tired, and upset, that
their question is stupid or invalid. Politely point
them in the right direction, don't make them afraid to
post again. This is a forum where we can help each
other out; I don't think it's necessarily just an
'Oracle Philosophy' discussion group.
Sorry this was so long.
Marty
- Alex Hillman <alex_hillman_at_physia.com> wrote:
> I do not object to mentioning of the delete key but
> I do not like and will
> not tolerate the tone. I do not see Rachel as a such
> moral authority figure
> for me to accept such tone (Maybe she is but I
> barely know her - I saw her
> one time on IOUG conference and saw couple of her
> books). If instead of "I
> remind you, the delete key is located on your
> keyboard and labelled as such"
> she said something like "If you don't like the
> message use the delete key" I
> wouldn't even reply.
>
> Alex Hillman
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 12:41 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
>
>
> I must say that I totally agree with Rachel. As a
> female, I found that the
> email Alex send out to be very offensive. And I
> definitely don't appreciate
> such comments on the list.
>
> Every body entitled to speak whatever they want,
> subject to not physically
> or emotionally harming the other person.
>
> Like what Rachel said, DELETE keys are always there
> for you for one
> purpose: to delete whatever you don't want to read!
>
> Winnie
>
>
>
>
>
> "Deshpande, Kirti"
> <kirti.deshpande_at_verizon.com>@fatcity.com on
> 01/03/2001
> 07:50:50 PM
>
> Please respond to ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com
>
> Sent by: root_at_fatcity.com
>
>
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
> cc:
>
>
>
> Current Score:
> Rachel : 14
> Alex : 6
> End of 1st Period !! This is getting very
> interesting at FatcityBowl...
>
> Can we..can we just get along...
> - Rodney King
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rachel Carmichael
> [SMTP:carmichr_at_hotmail.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 8:51 PM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > Subject: RE: general doubt
> >
> > From www.dictionary.com:
> >
> > insinuation: Something insinuated, especially an
> artfully indirect, often
> > derogatory suggestion.
> >
> > insinuate: To introduce or insert (oneself) by
> subtle and artful means.
> >
> > Based on those definitions, I didn't insinuate
> anything. I was neither
> > subtle nor indirect in calling you sexist.
> >
> > sexism: Attitudes, conditions, or behaviors that
> promote stereotyping of
> > social roles based on gender.
> >
> > Telling me that I am not your mother or wife is
> promoting stereotyping,
> > since those are gender-based roles.
> >
> > I told you to use the delete key and not to insult
> me... no insinuation
> > there. You might consider checking a dictionary
> before you use words when
> > you are not sure of the definitions.
> >
> > Consider yourself permanently blocked -- and a
> complaint about your
> > behavior
> > has been lodged with the list owner.
> >
> >
> > >From: Alex Hillman <alex_hillman_at_physia.com>
> > >Reply-To: ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com
> > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
> > >Subject: RE: general doubt
> > >Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 13:30:32 -0800
> > >
> > >Maybe it is enough. What is your next
> insinuation? Sexist - it is
> > >hilarious.
> > >You should have better arguments than that. And
> also you can delete my
> > >messages - if you use MS Outlook you can even
> have a rule to delete them
> > >immediately.
> > >
> > >Alex Hillman
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 3:46 PM
> > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > >
> > >
> > >Yes you are entitled to your view -- but when you
> add to the messages on
> > a
> > >topic then you add to the trash if you consider
> the topic itself to be
> > >trash.
> > >
> > >As for not being your wife or mother -- no, thank
> goodness, I'm not in
> > any
> > >way or form related to you. And I find it
> insulting that you would say
> > that
> > >to me, since you would NOT say "you are not my
> father" to any man on
> this
> > >list. I find that a sexist remark and definitely
> "trashing" this list.
> > >
> > >As for being or not being a school teacher...
> whether or not I was is
> > >irrelevant... but I consider THAT a compliment
> (although I can infer
> that
> > >you don't think it is). School teachers
> educate... and I think that
> > >eradicating ignorance is a noble task.
> > >
> > > >From: Alex Hillman <alex_hillman_at_physia.com>
> > > >Reply-To: ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com
> > > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
> > > >Subject: RE: general doubt
> > > >Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 12:10:42 -0800
> > > >
> > > >I think that as anybody else I am entitled to
> my point of view and can
> > > >express it. This is definitely trashing and
> every day it becomes
> worse.
> >
> > >In
> > > >trashing I mean to diminish the value of this
> list. Also there were no
> > > >indications in the subject showing me that I
> should delete the
> message.
> > > >Also
> > > >I do not appreciate this "I remind you, the
> delete key is located on
> > your
> > > >keyboard and labelled as such". You are not my
> mother or wife or
> school
> > > >teacher (or maybe you are a school teacher - in
> former life?).
> > > >
> > > >Alex Hillman
> > > >
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 2:26 PM
> > > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Alex,
> > > >
> > > >"trashing this list"? A bit harsh and
Received on Thu Jan 04 2001 - 13:00:13 CST
