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RE: DO I GIVE PROGRAMMERS ORACLE DBA ACCOUNT? - H*LL NO!

From: <Brian_McQuillan_at_gelco.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 17:15:04 -0400
Message-Id: <10568.112805@fatcity.com>


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I would tend to agree with Lisa,

Ask them if If they break it, can they fix it ? The answer will be no so never , ever , ever give these privileges to developers.

< DBA Gospel>
Developers tend to be narrrow minded in their focus. They want their application to run, and will tend to do anything that gets this job done.
They don't tend to give a damn about anybody else on the database along as their code works.
</ DBA Gospel>

(been there , done that, seen the light, got converted , Alleluia, praise the DBA for he/she /it is Almighty)

Happy to preach
Brian

"Koivu, Lisa" <lkoivu_at_qode.com> on 07/24/2000 03:57:16 PM

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Subject: RE: DO I GIVE PROGRAMMERS ORACLE DBA ACCOUNT? - H*LL NO!

Donna, to be subtle:

NO NO NO!!!!!!!

Unless they are willing to recover a database, DO NOT give them sys and system!
That's the argument I always present to consultants who want system or DBA privileges. ABSOLUTELY NOT.

I do not envy your position....
Good Luck

Lisa
Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA

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Sending this again, Because I did not have a subject last time.

I sure would appreciate some opinions on this. At my place of work we have

two teams in our division. One team is the application programmers and the

other team is UNIX system/Oracle DBAs. I have a new platform that just came in. I need to set up the Oracle database and Oracle Application Server
on it. Here's the question. My application programmer wants the Oracle
DBA account and the sys account. This platform is not a test platform.

Yes they are developing on this platform and then it will go into production. My Oracle DBA's do not want to give out the accounts to the
developers.
Who do I please?

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