RE: Tell me about the confused OCP.

From: Surendra_Tirumala <Surendra_Tirumala_at_hht.satyam.com>
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 00:09:50 +0530
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Here is the reply from Oracle to my mail regarding validity of the certification

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To: sutirumala_at_hotmail.com Save Address Subject: Re: validity of Oracle7.3 DBA OCP certification Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 13:26:38 -0700
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If you are already certified in Oracle7.3 you have a valid certification. Just because we are expiring the Oracle7.3 exams on August 31, 2000 it does not affect the validity of your cetification. If you want to upgrade
to Oracle8 OCP, you need to pass just one exams titled: "Oracle8 New Features
for Administrators".
To upgrade to Oracle8i, after you pass the Oracle8 New Features for Administrators exam, you need to pass just one more exam titled "Oracle8i New Features for Database Administrators".

Surendra.Tirumala_at_us.oracle.com wrote:

> The following person responded on the web:
>
> Name: Surendra Tirumala
> Email Address: sutirumala_at_hotmail.com
> Subject of Message:
>
> Page where user experienced problem:
>
> Feedback:
> I am a Oracle 7.3 certified DBA.I completed my certification on
02-dec-2000.I
am in confusion about validity of my certificate.I am planning to take up Oracle
8 and 8i upgradation exams after three months time from now.I would like to know
whether I will be given the credit of taking only upgradation exams any time of
my choice.
> Please clarify...
> regards,
> surendra
>

> ----------
> From: Janardhana Babu
> Reply To: ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com
> Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 4:39 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> Subject: RE: Tell me about the confused OCP.
>
> Iam under the impression that I need to upgrade my certification before
> the
> older version expires. Actually, I saw the expiration date(August 2000)
> for
> Oracle7exam, and I upgraded to Oracle8 in Jan this year. When contacted,
> they told me that I need too upgrade to Oracle8 before Aug 2000. If failed
> to upgrade before Aug 2000, my certification would be invalid and I need
> to
> take all the Oracle 8 exams(6, I believe) to get into the certification
> path
> again. Also, they said, I need to take Oracle8 upgrade exam and then only
> eligible to take oracle8i upgrade exam and I can't bypass oracle8 upgrade
> exam and take oracle8i upgrade exam. directly from oracle7 cert.
>
> My question is, after a few years oracle stops offering oracle8 upgrade
> exam( just like Oracle7 exam), then how can I appear for Oracle8i upgrade
> exam if I have only Oracle7 cert and not Oracle8 cert? Since it is not
> possible to bypass oracle8 upgrade exam inorder to get oracle8i cert., it
> will be of no use to hold oracle7 cert. which automatically force you to
> take all the oracle8i or 9i exams at some point in time. Let me know if
> what I think is wrong.
>
> -- Janardhana Babu
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 2:57 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
>
> Janardhan,
> I was also in the same impression two months back.
> I sent mail to Oracle (i don't remeber the exact address now) requesting
> clarification reg this.
> They clearly replied stating what I had mentioned in my earlier reply.
> I have that reply also with me in my hotmail account which I cannot access
> now.I had forwarded that mail to some of my friends.
>
> I will try to get it and post it over here.
>
> Surendra
> OCP DBA
>
> ----------
> Reply To: ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com
> Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 1:26 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
> I do not think the certification is valid forever. We need to take
> the
> upgrade exam before your certification expires. The expiration dates will
> be
>
> available at http://education.oracle.com <http://education.oracle.com> <
> http://education.oracle.com <http://education.oracle.com> >
> After the expiration date, we need to start all over again to get the
> certification. Let me know if Iam wrong.
>
> -- Janardhana Babu
> OCP DBA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 12:18 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
>
> Xiaoliang Chen,
> Once you are certfied in any particular stream( 7/8/8i), your
> certification
> is valid forever.And whenever you want to take up the upgradation exam
> just
> take it.
>
> Best thing for you is to go for 8 stream and later you can think of
> taking
> up 8i upgradation.My observation is that it is much difficult to clear 8i
> exam directly because of so many new features.
>
> Surendra
>
> ----------
> Reply To: ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com
> Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 11:46 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
> hi, all,
>
> I decide to pass my OCP DBA in two months. But I do not if I
>
> directly choose
> Oracle8i test package or choose Oracle8 test package and then have a
> Oracle8i new features test.
>
> One of my friend said this to me:
> Let me tell you why it is not good to do oracle 8i at the moment.
> 1. It will cost you a lot since no one has the stuff for oracle 8i and is
> selling it on the net.
> 2. the market will not revert to oracle 8i before a couple of years,
> because mosst companies recently migrated from oracle 7.3 to oracle 8
> 3. if you do oracle 8 and give the upgrade exam you will have two
> certification. oracle 8 dba and 8i dba.
>
> I am afraid I could hardly get Exam crams about Oracle8i at
> this
> time. Maybe
> I should first pass the Oracle8 and then pass the upgrate test.
> But someone tell me one must pass the upgrate test in 6 months from the
> day
> the new version was coming up. Which mean if Oracle8i was coming up on
> 01/01/00, I have to pass the upgrate test from Oracle8 to Oracle8i before
> 07/01/00. That mean I could not the upgrate test.....I am so
> confused....help me!
> What is your all 's suggestion? Please give me a reply. Your reply will be
>
> fully appreciated.
>
> Best wishes!
> Yours sincerely, Xiaoliang Chen
> ___________________________________
> SUN certified Solaris7 System Administrator
>
>
>
> --
> Author: Xiaoliang Chen
> INET: ochen_at_netrue.com
>
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If you are already = certified in Oracle7.3 you have a valid certification. Just because we are = expiring the Oracle7.3 exams on August 31, 2000 it does not affect = the validity of your cetification.  If you want to upgrade to Oracle8 OCP, you = need to pass just one exams titled: "Oracle8 New Features for = Administrators".
 To upgrade to = Oracle8i, after you pass the Oracle8 New Features for Administrators = exam, you need to pass just
 one more exam = titled "Oracle8i New Features for Database = Administrators".

Surendra.Tirumala_at_us.oracle.com wrote:

> The following = person responded on the web:
 > > = Name:           &= nbsp;     Surendra Tirumala > Email = Address:        = sutirumala_at_hotmail.com
 > Subject of = Message:
 > > Page where = user experienced problem:
 > > = Feedback:
 > I am a Oracle = 7.3 certified DBA.I completed my certification on 02-dec-2000.I am in confusion = about validity of my certificate.I am planning to take up Oracle 8 and 8i = upgradation exams after three months time from now.I would like to = know
 whether I will be = given the credit of taking only upgradation exams any time of my choice. > Please = clarify...
 > = regards,
 > = surendra

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<BR><B><FONT SIZE=3D1 FACE=3D"MS Sans Serif">From:</FONT></B> &nbsp; =

Janardhana Babu Reply To: =       ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com
 Sent:   = Thursday, July 13, 2000 4:39 = AM
 To: =     Multiple = recipients of list ORACLE-L
 Subject: =        RE: Tell me about the confused OCP.

Iam under the impression that I need = to upgrade my certification before the older version expires. Actually, I = saw the expiration date(August 2000) for Oracle7exam, and I upgraded to = Oracle8 in Jan this year. When contacted, they told me that I need too upgrade = to Oracle8 before Aug 2000. If failed to upgrade before Aug 2000, my = certification would be invalid and I need to take all the Oracle 8 exams(6, I = believe) to get into the certification path again. Also, they said, I need to = take Oracle8 upgrade exam and then only eligible to take oracle8i upgrade = exam and I can't bypass oracle8 upgrade exam and take oracle8i upgrade exam. = directly from oracle7 cert. 
   My question is, after a few years = oracle stops offering oracle8 upgrade exam( just like Oracle7 exam), then = how can I appear for Oracle8i upgrade exam if I have only Oracle7 cert and = not Oracle8 cert? Since it is not possible to bypass oracle8 upgrade = exam inorder to get oracle8i cert., it will be of no use to hold oracle7 = cert. which automatically force you to take all the oracle8i or 9i exams at = some point in time.  Let me know if

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">what I think is wrong.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&nbsp;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">-- Janardhana Babu</FONT>
</P>

-----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 2:57 = PM
 To: Multiple recipients of list = ORACLE-L

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<BR>
<BR>

Janardhan, I was also in the same impression two = months back. 
 I sent mail to Oracle (i don't = remeber the exact address now) requesting clarification reg this. They clearly replied stating what I = had mentioned in my earlier reply. I have that reply also with me in my = hotmail account which I cannot access now.I had forwarded that mail to some = of my friends.

I will try to get it and post it over = here.

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Surendra </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">OCP DBA </FONT>
</P>

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 Reply = To:       ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com Sent:   Thursday, July 13, = 2000 1:26 AM 
 To:     Multiple = recipients of list ORACLE-L

I do not think the certification is valid forever. We = need to take
 the upgrade exam before your = certification expires. The expiration dates will be

available at <A = HREF=3D"http://education.oracle.com" =
TARGET=3D"_blank">http://education.oracle.com</A> <<A HREF=3D"http://education.oracle.com" = TARGET=3D"_blank">http://education.oracle.com</A>>  < <A = HREF=3D"http://education.oracle.com" =
TARGET=3D"_blank">http://education.oracle.com</A> <<A HREF=3D"http://education.oracle.com" = TARGET=3D"_blank">http://education.oracle.com</A>> > After the expiration date, we need to = start all over again to get the 
 certification. Let me know if Iam = wrong.

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&nbsp; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">-- Janardhana Babu </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">OCP DBA </FONT>
</P>

-----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 12:18 = PM 
 To: Multiple recipients of list = ORACLE-L

</P>
<BR>
<BR>

Xiaoliang Chen, 
 Once you are certfied in any = particular stream( 7/8/8i), your certification is valid forever.And whenever you = want to take up the upgradation exam just take it.

Best thing for you is to go for 8 stream and later you = can think of
 taking up 8i upgradation.My observation is = that it is much difficult to clear 8i exam directly because of so many new = features.

Surendra

---------- = 
 Reply = To:       ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com Sent:   Wednesday, July 12, = 2000 11:46 PM 
 To:     Multiple = recipients of list ORACLE-L

hi, all, =

I decide to = pass my OCP DBA in two months. But I do not if I

directly choose Oracle8i test package or choose = Oracle8 test package and then have a Oracle8i new features test.

One of my = friend said this to me: 
 Let me tell you why it is not good to = do oracle 8i at the moment. 
 1. It will cost you a lot since no = one has the stuff for oracle 8i and is selling it on the net. 2. the  market will not revert = to oracle 8i before a couple of years, because mosst companies recently = migrated from oracle 7.3 to oracle 8 3. if you do oracle 8 and give the = upgrade exam you will have two 
 certification. oracle 8 dba and 8i = dba.

I am afraid I = could hardly get Exam crams about Oracle8i at

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">this </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">time. Maybe </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">I should first pass the Oracle8 and =

then pass the upgrate test. 
 But someone tell me one must pass the = upgrate test in 6 months from the day the new version was coming up. Which = mean if Oracle8i was coming up on 01/01/00, I have to pass the upgrate = test from Oracle8 to Oracle8i before 07/01/00. That mean I could not the = upgrate test.....I am so 
 confused....help me! What is your all 's suggestion? = Please give me a reply. Your reply will be fully appreciated.

Best wishes! =

</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Yours sincerely, Xiaoliang Chen =
</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">___________________________________ =
</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">SUN certified Solaris7 System =

Administrator

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<BR>
<BR>

--

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Author: Xiaoliang Chen </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&nbsp; INET: ochen_at_netrue.com </FONT>
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