I'm working between 35 and 40 hours per week. Since
I'm more involved in devlopment than in support, I
seem to have less free time than others. I will never
make it an habit to work over 40 hours/week. I'll put
the effort when needed but I'm against working 60
hours/week for 6 months. I loved too much my wife and
2 kids, ice hockey, snowboarding,....
I totally agree with Joe, I'm getting paid for my
knowledge that's why I spend time on the web and read
books.
- "HAWKINS, JAMES W [FND/1000]"
<JAMES.W.HAWKINS_at_stl.Monsanto.com> a écrit : > Deepak,
>
> Agreed, but don't forget to add that we get paid for
> the responsibility of
> protecting data. The bottom line is that I can sit
> idle and watch my
> E*Trade account all day until someone drops a
> production table, then I
> better get it back with no data lost. That's what I
> mostly get paid for.
> There has to be someone to point the finger at when
> the proverbial dung hits
> the fan...
>
> Jim
>
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>
> "Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win
> glorious triumphs, even
> though checkered by failure, than to take rank with
> those poor spirits
> who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they
> live in the gray
> twilight that knows neither victory nor defeat."
>
> --Theodore Roosevelt
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 11:51 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
> Joe,
>
> Absolutely true. Knowledge is what we get paid for.
> This has been my experience too regd the work I have
> been doing, (esp. Physical DBA).
>
> However, what I don't understand is when people talk
> about supporting 10 peoplesoft databases, what
> exactly
> do they do. My current client has Peoplesoft
> financial
> and Order management applications which total upto
> 12
> databases in all. Apart from that I am also
> supporting
> non-peoplesoft databases (4). All I do daily is
> check
> my email for any outstanding user requests, check
> the
> Alert logs, run DB monitoring scripts against select
> few databases etc. Apart from this daily activity,
> there are adhoc requests to refresh test from prod,
> fix database errors and so on. This has been the
> case
> with most of the clients I'd been working with. Now,
> my question to the (Physical) DBAs is, what extra
> stuff they do regularly to come with 40+ Hrs per
> week.
>
> My formula for 40 Hrs:
>
> 2 Hrs Regular DB support +
> 2 Hrs Email & Web Browsing +
> 1 Hr Lunch +
> 1 Hr Phone +
> 2 Hrs Self Study = Daily 8 Hrs
>
> I know people who genuinely work 40+ Hrs, but most
> of
> the fellow DBAs I know spend lot of time doing
> nothing
> concrete. How else could they participate in the
> stock
> market ?
>
> -- Deepak
>
> --- "Joseph S. Testa" <teci_at_oracle-dba.com> wrote:
> > Deepak, my latest job, i have to agree with you,
> > most weeks its less
> > than 40, rarely ts more than 40.
> >
> > reason that i've come to conclusion is this:
> >
> > they pay me for what i know, not necessarily what
> i
> > do, knowledge is
> > power(and money these days).
> >
> > they catch is this: dont get stale, read the new
> > documentation when it
> > comes out, buy books, read them and stay on top of
> > the new stuff.
> >
> >
> > Here is a prime example:
> >
> > while at IOUG-A in may, i was paged about a
> > partitioned table, they
> > wanted to move rows between the partitions(ie:
> > change the key value), by
> > dafault you can't do that, so they were panicked
> > enough to potentially,
> > unload millions of rows, change the key value
> during
> > the unload,
> > truncate the table, and reload all the data.
> >
> > I was studying for 8i OCP exam and had just read
> > about
> > alter table <table_name> enable row movement;
> >
> > by default row movment is disabled.
> >
> > so they pay me for what I know :)
> >
> > my 2 cents worth.
> >
> > joe
> > Deepak Sharma wrote:
> > >
> > > How many of the DBAs out there frankly work more
> > than
> > > 40 Hrs a week on an average ? I have seen DBAs,
> > > specifically contrators (I'm one myself) put in
> 10
> > or
> > > 12 Hrs a day on the paper. In reality, it's the
> > 10-12
> > > Hrs they sit at work, either showing everyone
> how
> > busy
> > > they are or creating work out of nowhere so that
> > they
> > > could stay longer at work (and get the extra
> > bucks).
> > > We've all had our chances working 24-36 Hrs on
> > stretch
> > > in crisis situations, but in general, how much
> > > significant work does a DBA have. Most of the
> time
> > I
> > > find it difficult to fill even the 40 Hrs in the
> > > timesheet. My favorite activity !! Browse this
> > list.
> > >
> > >
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Stephane Paquette
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