X-Received: by 10.182.80.198 with SMTP id t6mr18120937obx.31.1422889744820; Mon, 02 Feb 2015 07:09:04 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.50.79.228 with SMTP id m4mr146413igx.8.1422889744703; Mon, 02 Feb 2015 07:09:04 -0800 (PST) Path: news.cambrium.nl!textnews.cambrium.nl!feeder2.cambriumusenet.nl!feed.tweaknews.nl!217.188.199.168.MISMATCH!takemy.news.telefonica.de!telefonica.de!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newspeer1.nac.net!border2.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!hl2no5724643igb.0!news-out.google.com!qk8ni19963igc.0!nntp.google.com!hl2no7631493igb.0!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.databases.theory Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 07:09:04 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <63393ec9-6afb-4ee8-b2c7-ae0186d4e227@googlegroups.com> Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=101.175.1.237; posting-account=bFMNewoAAAAHC6b_JPlV7XvI31zIuG5T NNTP-Posting-Host: 101.175.1.237 References: <61044dae-51c9-43d4-87f9-1e12e0e3b15e@googlegroups.com> <0f9dea1d-36e1-4378-93a4-cb790a57c893@googlegroups.com> <4fcace2f-e767-4beb-8c54-0a7543b2fd30@googlegroups.com> <63393ec9-6afb-4ee8-b2c7-ae0186d4e227@googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Why are [Database] Mathematicians Crippled ? From: Derek Asirvadem Injection-Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2015 15:09:04 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lines: 83 Xref: news.cambrium.nl Jan > On Monday, 2 February 2015 22:46:11 UTC+11, Jan Hidders wrote: I am getting a tiny bit tired of this dancing around the definition tree, w= hich allows you to sit there in some unknown space (to me not science, and = no, I am not about to let you redefine science to me), ALLOWing him to be t= his or that or purple or yellow but neither right nor wrong. Are you aware= , that to a practitioner in the physical universe, that is completely unacc= eptable ? If you crash your car into some other car, can you get away with= dancing around your personal interpretations of the law, whose fault it is= ? If your girlfriend is pregnant, do you discuss the nature and condition= of the ovum, in order to assign some responsibility for paternity to the o= vum ?=20 Let me try an keep it short and to the point. Only to drag you back to bei= ng short and to the point. In order to have the issue resolved. SO that y= ou move on to point [2], et cetera. > You have yet to give evidence for that claim. I don't have to do any such thing, I have already explained why. The law s= tands for forty five years. This freak (or some freak who wrote the harry = potter novel that he is using, came after that. So it is his job, the auth= ors job, not my job, to explain why the freak is teaching something that go= es against the law. From your post, you don't actually *know* anything, you *stand* for nothing= . You are quite happy to entertain this "definition"; that "definition"; t= his freak; that freak; etc. All at the same time. In the same cranial spa= ce. Well, you have not even noticed that each of them contradict each othe= r. Therefore each of them is WRONG. Therefore ALL of them are WRONG. =20 Further, they each keep changing their "definitions". Truth does not chang= e, it is permanent. Only pig poop changes. And there is no end to the cha= nges. First it is soft and smelly; later it is hard, but still smelly; lat= er still it shrinks and gets harder, and the smell is reduced; finally, it = is very hard, and the smell is gone. Now it is approaching a permanent sta= te. The law doesn't change. It states that "definitions" that contradict = the law are illegal; that "definitions" that keep changing are not definiti= ons, they are lies, unworthy of scientific consideration, pig poop. Now the unchanging law is, since you are not aware of it, since 1970, Codd'= s definition of Third Normal Form. From memory ie. I am happy to be correc= ted, but I expect any errors to be minor, unworthy of argument): ____ "Every non-key attribute is Functionally Dependent on the Key, the who= le Key, and nothing but the Key" Date spent a lot of time trying to subvert that, and he failed. This freaky professor doesn't have a clue what he is teaching, doesn't give= a "definition" for the freaky thing he is teaching (not that a new "defini= tion" would be acceptable, if he did give a new one, I would have a differe= nt problem with him). He can't even teach the thing that he thinks it is. = Get a grip. That is why he is a fraud. Don't check or quote wiki, it changes at the same rateas pig poop. I do not "claim" that what he is teaching is wrong. I DECLARE, based on th= e standing unchanged evidence of forty five years, from the one authority w= ho gave the law, that the freak is breaking the law, and teaching pig poop = to innocent young minds, corrupting them. I STAND for something, the law. = The name on this particular law is Codd, but I stand for all laws, from Mo= ses downwards. None of your freaky friends or their changing "definitions"= have the slightest impact on me, or on the law. It is not an arguable matter. =20 My initial question to you was "do you know it is wrong", so that is there = was an issue, we could close it. I had, and still have, no intention whats= oever of discussing the squirming thoughts of people who rely on pig poop. = I couldn't care less about what freaks write in the harry potter novels; w= hat other freaks think about it; whether they are used as textbooks or toil= et paper. And if you do choose to argue, you will be further confirming yo= ur place among those freaks who are destroying education. =20 Do not dare to call it science, or to redefine the word. Now go to point [2], please. Cheers Derek