X-Received: by 10.50.153.98 with SMTP id vf2mr15094124igb.5.1410225522497; Mon, 08 Sep 2014 18:18:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.50.41.103 with SMTP id e7mr313867igl.8.1410225522412; Mon, 08 Sep 2014 18:18:42 -0700 (PDT) Path: news.cambrium.nl!textnews.cambrium.nl!feeder2.cambriumusenet.nl!feed.tweaknews.nl!193.141.40.65.MISMATCH!npeer.de.kpn-eurorings.net!npeer-ng0.de.kpn-eurorings.net!news.glorb.com!r2no17174054igi.0!news-out.google.com!ht4ni8igb.0!nntp.google.com!r2no17174047igi.0!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.databases.theory Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 18:18:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=101.116.37.78; posting-account=bFMNewoAAAAHC6b_JPlV7XvI31zIuG5T NNTP-Posting-Host: 101.116.37.78 References: <2b25b968-9641-4854-80cc-2f8b01bb27df@googlegroups.com> <952f13c1-4cf6-443b-aff6-85a7a1a35794@googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Request for Miracle From: Derek Asirvadem Injection-Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2014 01:18:42 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Xref: news.cambrium.nl Norbert > On Tuesday, 9 September 2014 04:38:13 UTC+10, Norbert_Paul wrote: > > Derek Asirvadem wrote: >=20 > > Since I possess the miracle of sight, I try not to argue with the blind= . I don't suffer from The Null Problem, I have the Resolution. >=20 > So just say a word and make me see, too. First, thank you very much, you are very kind. Sorry, but I must inform yo= u, I do not have the powers to bestow miracles. You need to go to someone = much higher than I. Second, it is quite strange, because if you honestly believed in The Word, = you would instantly be cured of the blindness. So the evidence is, (a) you= do not actually believe in The Word, (b) but you ask for it anyway, and (c= ) you are asking someone who doesn't have the power to perform miracles. T= hat position might be a bit more crippling than mere blindness. > What is the public definition of "The Null Problem" for the non-blind? Again, you request an impossibility. If you read the thread, I have alread= y stated several times, the sighted do not have "The Null Problem". It is = an artefact that exists only in the theoretical universe, validly, but one = that has been made grand and has monuments erected to it by the blind, by t= he pseudo-theoreticians. =20 We sighted ones cannot define what we do not have; know; love; are addicted= to. We know a tiny bit about blindness, but we cannot define it, because = we are not blind, and blindness is a whole syndrome, a way of life, with ma= ny, many, abnormal ways of living. Contrary to what most of the posters ha= ve posted (re the relevance of their private "definitions"), objective defi= nitions (from an authority, a truth that does not change) require a bit mor= e than imaginings and speculation. I repeat: > > But that should not pose an obstacle to progress ... As long as you sug= gest an authoritative source, we can progress. Please don't be shy, it is nothing to be ashamed of. If you suffer the cri= ppling effects of The Null Problem, then you will have some public "definit= ion" of what is crippling you. Speak it, and you will have taken the first= step out of your disease. I can help, I can only try, to show you the pat= h out of it, as a sighted person. But no miracles, just straight, clear, l= ogical thinking. =20 And no guarantees: some people are so addicted to their diseases, they will= not give them up, even after the cure is given to them. Usually, they hav= e to respect it and pay for it, in order to receive it. Things that are gi= ven away free have no value. But I will take a chance with you and give it = to you free. =20 (I do guarantee my database deliveries, but that is easy, since (a) I only = use sighted people when I build them, I do not hire the blind, and (b) it i= s paid for, appreciated for what it is.) Please pick any of the public "definitions", as long as it is from some rec= ognised authority. =20 Here is an example of what I am trying to avoid, what NOT to choose. Here,= the posters have the common but only partially correct understanding of "T= he Null Problem", they are not theoretical enough to have heard about its g= rand theoretical title. As practical people, they have attacked the proble= m, and each has their own justification of what is correct or not. Ben is = of course right, in the one thing that he proposes, but he does not know *w= hy* he is right, he cannot articulate it.=20 http://www.bennadel.com/blog/85-why-null-values-should-not-be-used-in-a-dat= abase-unless-required.htm That is the sad state of play that the pseudo-scientists have left for the = plebs to grind away with. It is more of a statement about them, than of th= e plebs. The sighted do not have that problem. -- Since you cannot produce a public "definition" for your disease, here are a= few *suggestions* for you to choose from, so that we can progress: 1. Wiki is hardly an authority. The wiki entry (as at today), is confused= , so I would prefer not to use it, because we will have to clear up the con= fusion before we can get to the real "Null Problem". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Null_(SQL). It has the usual veneration of st= upidity, such as MVCC; Deferred Constraint Checking; and F571, that pseudo-= academics have these days. 2. The TweedleDumb entry is massively confused, because the great ass purp= osely mixes things up, in order to promote his agenda, his fantasy that "SQ= L is broken", the whole paper is Straw Man. Besides, he cannot Normalise d= ata if his life depended on it, so there are various subterfuges and tricks= (he obviously does perform black miracles, because he makes the sighted on= es blind) that we would have to excise before we can deal with the real "Nu= ll Problem". =20 http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~hugh/CS319/CS319-Missing-info-without-NULL.pd= f I have already stated: > > ... Date, Darwen, Fagin, and the rest of the cursed ones who write book= s, and the university lecturers who follow them like lemmings, have all use= d Straw Man or otherwise invalid examples, and their proposals which are ba= sed on such invalid examples, are false.=20 But I suspect, you are attached to that particular cursed one. 3. The Teradata entry is the least confused, the least obtuse. But it doe= s not attempt to define "The Null Problem". http://www.info.teradata.com/HTMLPubs/DB_TTU_14_10/index.html#page/Database= _Management/B035_1094_112A/ch13.063.01.html 4. RM/T ("Tasmania") itself is rejected, because Codd himself backed away = from it. That was an exploration after his association with Date, before h= e realised he was being royally screwed. But you might choose it anyway, a= nd then we have to go through Codd's rejection of it. Cheers Derek