Path: dp-news.maxwell.syr.edu!spool.maxwell.syr.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!postnews.google.com!p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "Cimode" Newsgroups: comp.databases.theory Subject: Re: A good book Date: 7 Jul 2006 05:22:10 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 42 Message-ID: <1152274930.146562.46330@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> References: <1152252241.485354.324010@s26g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1152270169.948260.305470@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.154.188.107 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1152274935 972 127.0.0.1 (7 Jul 2006 12:22:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 12:22:15 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) X-HTTP-Via: 1.0 localhost:5656 (squid/2.5.STABLE11) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com; posting-host=195.154.188.107; posting-account=XWbNBg0AAABXMdLVqoM3R9n-RIU90_cb Xref: dp-news.maxwell.syr.edu comp.databases.theory:43149 Roy Hann wrote: > "Cimode" wrote in message > news:1152270169.948260.305470@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > > Cimode wrote: > > The objectives of > > BUSINESS MODELING FOR DATABASE DESIGN > > Cimode has failed to point out that this is not a book but a paper, > available only from www.dbdebunk.com/page/page/764907.htm. True..Thanks for specifying...I guess one develops less patience with years reading about RM...Quality is so much important than quantity.... Fabian PASCAL have and advantage I appreciate in papers: it is concise, clear and coherent...As you rightfully state, it depends where you start from... > I am certain it is informative and to be highly recommended, but I doubt it > offers the kind of epiphany the OP seems to be looking for. I am certain > such a book could be written, but I am also certain it hasn't been. I have > been a long-time reader of the relational literature (over 20 years) but the > nearest I came to a pulse-racing aha! moment was when I was experimenting > with transition constraints, jury-rigged using bits of SQL. It was > butt-ugly but I suddenly realized just how much application code could be > dispensed with. But then again, many of my students have an aha! moment > when I show them the set-oriented solution compared with the row-oriented > solution to the same problem. I suspect therefore that what it takes to > impress you will depend on where you are starting from. If you don't > realize you have a big problem, a solution is unlikely to be amazing. Interesting... > I am reminded of the story, supposedly from the early part of the 20th > century, of an army officer showing a desert sheik an aeroplane doing > aerobatics. "Isn't it amazing?", asked the army officer, clearly impressed > himself. To which the sheik asked, "Isn't it supposed to do that?" > > Roy > > PS: I wonder if the best prospect for the OP's kind of book would be an > O'Reilly "Dataphor in a Nutshell"! :-)