Path: dp-news.maxwell.syr.edu!spool.maxwell.syr.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!postnews.google.com!news4.google.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nf3.bellglobal.com!ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: Bob Badour User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.object,comp.databases.theory Subject: Re: The wisdom of the object mentors (Was: Searching OO Associations with RDBMS Persistence Models) References: <1148940908.338233.159400@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <2006053109211382327-unclebob@objectmentorcom> <1149096136.693762.90890@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <1149096136.693762.90890@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 17 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 18:18:00 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 142.176.111.68 X-Complaints-To: abuse@aliant.net X-Trace: ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca 1149099480 142.176.111.68 (Wed, 31 May 2006 15:18:00 ADT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 15:18:00 ADT Organization: Sympatico-Subscriber Xref: dp-news.maxwell.syr.edu comp.object:139599 comp.databases.theory:40446 Mikito Harakiri wrote: > Bob Badour wrote: > >>Fowler is an idiot. Given two formal systems: one very powerful system >>operating at the level of intent and the other very low-level system >>obscuring intent, his solution is to cripple the powerful one down to >>match low-level one. > > This is kind of extreme statement. Reading Mr Fowler's "Refactoring" > was a pleasant experience back in 97. I couldn't help exclaming "I > should have written that!" Unfortunately, Fowler's recent voyage into > data management area is disappointing. I found what he wrote rather obvious and not too informative. It sounds like you found it rather obvious too. While 'idiot' might be too extreme, he is a lightweight at best.