X-Received: by 10.52.166.77 with SMTP id ze13mr340478vdb.9.1425408744263; Tue, 03 Mar 2015 10:52:24 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.182.142.2 with SMTP id rs2mr3656obb.41.1425408744147; Tue, 03 Mar 2015 10:52:24 -0800 (PST) Path: news.cambrium.nl!textnews.cambrium.nl!feeder3.cambriumusenet.nl!feed.tweaknews.nl!195.71.90.67.MISMATCH!news.unit0.net!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!feeder01.blueworldhosting.com!border2.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!j7no10585883qaq.1!news-out.google.com!qk8ni45613igc.0!nntp.google.com!hl2no3532359igb.0!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.databases.oracle.server Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2015 10:52:23 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <78b0c306-2783-4ad1-aa53-5af1572781b9@googlegroups.com> Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=15.219.169.75; posting-account=qJFqbQkAAACYQSLN0-cvP6ydkRfuOu6u NNTP-Posting-Host: 15.219.169.75 References: <78b0c306-2783-4ad1-aa53-5af1572781b9@googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <91dff80a-143e-48f2-ad89-aa8a45171290@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Tom Kyte a false idol? From: Mark D Powell Injection-Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2015 18:52:24 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lines: 61 Xref: news.cambrium.nl On Tuesday, March 3, 2015 at 11:33:49 AM UTC-5, steveg...@gmail.com wrote: > I just found this thread while trawling around looking for something and = actually Geomancer, I agree with you. >=20 > I find it extremely irritating how the self appointed select few come acr= oss as being better than the rest of us, but are they really? It may seem t= hat way because they have a public platform from which to demonstrate their= alleged superiority. However, there's nothing wrong with being a capable, = smart, hard working Oracle pro, just going about your business quietly and = efficiently without shouting from the mountain tops every 5 minutes about = how brilliant you think you are. The sheeple who buy into this are even wor= se IMO. Some people just continue to gorge on the Oracle Kool-Aid and some = don't. Personally, I don't and I don't think TK is some kind of Oracle mess= iah either. 3 reasons: >=20 > 1. I've been to some of his so called presentations and he came across as= having the personality of a rock. I was unimpressed. This is also true of = some of the high profile authors who the sheeple also admire and adore. >=20 > 2. A couple of years ago he agreed to participate in a 'performance tunin= g US tour' where the participants were billed as "performance rock stars". = Seriously? I've been an Oracle DBA for 20+ years, do not consider myself an= "expert" in any way and just try to do my best and be the best DBA I can b= e in my daily work. If I'd been approached with this gig, my response would= have been, "No. That's extremely embarrassing and comes across as being un= believably arrogant. Bad idea. Try again". TK and two of his buddies signed= up and off they went on their jolly around the US. I didn't attend. >=20 > 3. From time to time I have scanned TK's AskTom thing and I find many of = his answers to be quite rude and condescending. That said, much of what I'v= e seen is posted by people who very obviously have not read the documentati= on or even tried to figure it out for themselves. I'm sure TK gets frustrat= ed with this and some of his replies reflect that. However, the sheeple's l= azy incompetence is what fuels the ego and status of people like TK. >=20 > I reserve an ounce of respect for TK on the basis I read somewhere that a= lthough he comes across as all knowing in his AskTom blog thing, he never m= akes any mention of how long it took him (or others) to arrive at a complet= e, correct and definitive answer. Fair enough. >=20 > Bottom line, the Oracle world just like many walks of life, will always a= ttract some who will seek to raise their profile because they want to be se= en as leaders, the cream-of-the-crop, the A-Listers, whatever you want to c= all them. Equally there will be a section of the peasant class who'll hang = on their every word and defend them to the death (ala the replies to Geoman= cer's 'heretical' post). I have little time for either group and prefer to = be my own 'expert' (for want of a better word).=20 >=20 > Just don't get me started on the elitist Oak Table crowd of the annual 'l= ove-in' known as Open World. ;-) >=20 > Peace out, > Steve. I have never read a response from Tom that was crude or condescending on As= kTom or anywhere else. I notice you do not provide an actual reference lin= k. -- Mark D Powell --