Re: Been reading a few messages...

From: HansF <News.Hans_at_telus.net>
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 21:20:51 GMT
Message-Id: <pan.2005.06.20.21.23.57.527482@telus.net>

On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 13:34:06 -0700, fitzjarrell interested us by writing:

>>
>> (Where have you encountered a statement that Oracle Certified DBA ==
>> Oracle Certified Professional.  I'd like to stand corrected.)
>>

>
> Every resume presented to me during the hiring phase of employment.
> Again, I'm in the U.S. and it may be a different scenario here.
> Usually, on resumes, Oracle Certified DBA is joined by the OCP logo
> (provided when one attains the status of Oracle Certified
> Professional). As such, it's what I'm used to seeing, and how I'm used
> to interpreting the 'Oracle Certified DBA' claim. I stated this in my
> previous post. And Daniel Morgan agreed with the assessment.
>

I do not argue that OCP and Oracle Certified DBA are a proper connection. And I do not doubt that many OCPs make the connection.

However, I do not recall any official document that supports the idea that "Oracle Certified DBA" implies "Oracle Certified Professional".

However, as you state, the implication is there based on traditional usage.

>> As I said, he's learned the lessons from marketing quite well.  AFAICT,
>> he didn't lie .. he led you to the edge and watched you
>> jump. <g>
>>
>>

> In my mind Oracle Certified Associates haven't covered sufficient
> material to consider themselves Oracle Certified DBAs. Oracle
> Corporation may have other ideas, so I won't disparage those with OCA in
> the DBA track from calling themselves 'certified', as, in some respect,
> they are. Indeed, our intrepid DBA may have led me to the edge of the
> precipice and waited until I lost my balance due to vertigo. But, I
> report situations as I've experienced them, and here, in the United
> States, a resume with 'Oracle Certified DBA' also states 'Oracle
> Certified Professional'. Possibly that is due to the myriad HR
> departments requiring OCP for such positions. OCA won't fill the bill
> as written by Human Resources.
>
> And, so it goes. I guess things are different in the Yukon. :)

No, things are not so much different here in Canada. It's just that we don't have such big HR organizations filtering for us, so we get to see some reality - DBAs, many out of jobs, using whatever techniques they can to get an interview.

I totally agree with you that a person who has an OCA (and no added experience) is generally not qualified to be an independent Oracle DBA. However, I can assure you that many people are getting their OCA (and OCP) these days just to say they have a certificate and avoid having resumes tossed - whereas their experience is, in many ways, comparable to mine. IMO, some of them are indeed qualiified.

Until I see an official document [from Oracle] around that, I will believe the association between "Oracle Certified DBA" and "Oracle Certified Professional" is ficticious - yet another "Buyer Beware" thing - and on the same level as many other Oracle-related myths (true once upon a time ...).

In the mean time, I will continue to teach OCA and OCP related courses around the DB, AS, and tools and attempt to do my part to ensure the participants actually know what is required on the exam AND what is required in real life.

/Hans

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Hans Forbrich
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