Re: Benefits of RMAN

On 2004-07-07, Mark J. Bobak <mark_at_bobak.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 17:48:11 -0500, JEDIDIAH wrote:
>
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>>
>> What Oracle is pushing us into violates "the Unix way of doing things".
>> Since Oracle's core market is with Unix shops, this is not something
>> to trivialize. Disasters impose considerable burdens on an enterprise
>> without making them also contemplate whether or not RMAN will make it
>> through in one piece.
>
> Excuse me? "...whether or not RMAN will make it through in one piece."??
> If that's truly your opinion, then I can only assume you have either:
> 1.) Never used RMAN. (Please, try it. Set up a throw away test

	I seem to vaguely recall comparing you with a Microsoft shill
	before. I think I will renew that observation if you choose
	to trivialize those that have experiences different than your
	own.

	That's not a matter of "opinion". It's a matter of experience.
	One wonders if you've ever been in a position to do disaster
	recovery ever (for play or for real).

> database to practice on! It really is very good at what it does.)
> OR
> 2.) You looked at it, but didn't really put the time into it. RMAN
> has a lot of annoying new lingo and terminology. If you're used to
> conventional backups, it cant bea bit daunting. Bite the bullet, read
> the docs, pick up the Freeman book or the Velpuri book. It's worth
> the journey.

        This is a RED HERRING on the subject of RMAN's trustability.

>>
>> The cost benefit analysis doesn't necessarily work out in Oracle's favor
>> even for large shops that might actually have thousands of files to
>> manage.
>
> Now who are you kidding? That's what RMAN does *best*! It manages
> lots and lots of files and keeps track of which versions of which
> files go with what databases and what archive logs you'll need and
> where they are. That's RMAN. It's what it does.

Enterprise backup managers already do this.

What will RMAN do if you happen to be missing a tape during a disaster?

>
> Try it, you'll like it....;-)

It's entirely too proprietary.

>
> -Mark
> (who does not work for Oracle or any storage vendors and will not
> materially gain in any way if you jump on the RMAN bandwagon...)
>

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