Path: newssvr20.news.prodigy.com!newsmst01.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!pd7cy2so!pd7cy1no!shaw.ca!sjc70.webusenet.com!news.usenetserver.com!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Daniel Morgan Newsgroups: comp.databases.oracle.server Subject: Re: Stuck on old system can you feel my pain Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 18:53:15 -0800 Organization: ATS Message-ID: <1075776736.320163@yasure> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <5LqdnZ3cl_lIcYPdRVn-jw@comcast.com> In-Reply-To: <5LqdnZ3cl_lIcYPdRVn-jw@comcast.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cache-Post-Path: yasure!unknown@oracle.advtechserv.com X-Cache: nntpcache 2.4.0b5 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 73 Xref: newssvr20.news.prodigy.com comp.databases.oracle.server:253516 Ranting this one time wrote: > Hello, > > > > I have been using (living/breathing/sleeping) Oracle a long time...I love > it!!! > > Has anyone been associated with an entity that for some reason was stuck on > an old version of Oracle in some (or all) parts of their business. > > The "vendor" for a mission critical systems we have (purchased in 1999) > deployed it on 7.3 on HP-UX at the time...and when they "upgrade" our > application (they make a huge big deal about this and run some scripts-you > know the drill) they never upgrade the instance, but run an upgrade script > to create new objects...and give a new but almost identical FFFAAATTT client > (that people run around and install). > > Now the system is going to be sunset for development (buy the new one and > get features-this new one should be an upgrade!) but we will have it for a > while w/their support for both the app and Oracle...and they give a BS > answer and smirk when I ask if they will upgrade the DB, and others at the > entity (non-tech) do not really care (or understand) what version of Oracle > and accept the answer...hey things are working in this complicated (it does > do a lot) system and vendor gives "support" for DB and app. > > I run 9I for my own DB's and will go to 10g...but forced to keep an 8I > instance around to link to the 7.3 (9Ir2 connections to 7 are not supported, > and some issues do pop-up when you do it)....and I warehouse this data and > also often get things real time. > > I find it ridiculous and want to use new features (or even reasonably old > features) when I work w/the data in the application in real time. > > I would love if they even upgraded (this sounds like a joke) to 8.0!!! so I > could connect via 9IR2... > > 7.3 is so old that this is not strange, it is nuts.... > > The entity is actually responsive to most IT issues...but is > semi-held-hostage from the vendor of their most mission critical and > multi-functional system. > > > > Comrades, any experience like this, tips for connecting to old servers (post > in server newsgroup for this reason) or tips in dealing w/the vendor? > > I see know reason why they could not upgrade a version or two (they claim > testing a sunsetted product), what works in the old version should work in > the versions a few notches up. Do you agree? > > Thanks, > Ranting Once Ranting will do no good. Management must be willing to should loudly with their dollars. Why not get a new system, based on 9i or 10g, from a vendor that will guarantee that they stay current? Don't know what your firm needs but I have a list of names if you email me off-line. -- Daniel Morgan http://www.outreach.washington.edu/ext/certificates/oad/oad_crs.asp http://www.outreach.washington.edu/ext/certificates/aoa/aoa_crs.asp damorgan@x.washington.edu (replace 'x' with a 'u' to reply)