Re: Where is Oracle’s Grid ?

"Daniel Morgan" <damorgan_at_x.washington.edu> wrote in message news:1071649660.660848_at_yasure...

>
> Actually not.

Actually, that's coming quite a few days later... took that long to ask the questions? ;)
BTW, "actually not" what? Or are you replying to my post as if it was someone else's?

> Having spent the past weekend building RAC nodes and
> working on the differences between RAC and grid I can assure you that
> they are very substantial. There is not only no farce ... there is a
> technological improvement here that is incredible.

The farce I was refering to is the release of the product and how it is being handled by Oracle as a PR exercise. What's in it asd far as grid I don't give two hoots nor will almost everyone else until probably 10.2. Like always with new releases of Oracle. Fed up with their over-hype.

> But the differences are very significant: At least as large as OPS to
> RAC and that was a complete rearchitecture.

And given the GREAT adoption of RAC and OPS by EVERYONE out there (IOW, bugger all), I can see how relevant that's gonna be...

> Grid will do things that
> couldn't even be conceived of under OPS and is a huge extension from
> RAC. This isn't just another dumb name change (and you should all know I
> am the first to criticize them) this is phenomenal.
>

I know. Ken Jacobs gave us all a great description, so did most of the Oracle people who have talked about it since. Unfortunately, we heard EXACTLY the same story about 7.3, 8i, 9i and so on. Remains to be PROVEN that it will indeed be that good. Or even usably (!) stable.

Your word or anyone else's, NDA or not, is just not enough. Nothing against you as I hope you'll realise.

It's just that most of us who work at the coalface and have to deal day in day out with the crap Oracle puts out just fail to be impressed by bombastic statements from marketing, beta testers or anyone else.

It's people like us that have to put up with bugs, SQL written by sub-standard morons, features that were announced as revolutionary and then don't work, etc etc. And who get ultimately blamed for all the crap that comes out of Oracle.

What Oracle marketing STILL hasn't realised is that the kind of user that worries about grid and RAC (major developers) is the vast MINORITY nowadays.

99% of the user base out there is using 3rd party sub-standard software and doesn't give a hoot about grid, RAC or OPS. And having to live with Oracle telling everyone that their db software is so good and squeaky bug-free that SURELY the problem must reside with everyone's DBAs. Much better to use Oracle's own outsourcing. And other utter crap like that.

While I'm on this soapbox: the vast majority of users like me and Mladen and many others have figured out since Oracle V5 that bind-variables MUST be used in order to get Oracle to perform well. Nothing new here, we didn't need TK's stuff to learn that.

Unfortunately, we do NOT write the 3rd party CRAP that sits out there in user land and is imposed on us. But we get blamed as if we wrote the stuff by arseholes that read TK's books and dump on us that "we" are not using bind variables. And other deranged rubbish.

IOW, we have NO SAY on what software gets used with Oracle, we know it's mostly a piece of crap and have known so for nearly 15 years. But instead of giving us tools to solve the problems caused by software that we have no control of, we're told by Oracle how great the grid is gonna be! Great going...

FINALLY, with 10g the problem of crappy SQL seems to START to be addressed by Oracle. About farking time! It's only 12 years LATE!

People like us prefer to see for ourselves how good it is. More important: how RELEVANT it is. Nothing personal, as I said.

And quite frankly, I'm a LOT MORE impressed by ASM than by the grid and all its paraphernalia of marketing. And yes: it's not ASSM, it's ASM I'm talking about. That is indeed mind-blowing. And history will prove me right when I say this: if ANYTHING will make 10g popular, it will be ASM and its revolutionary approach to handling disk management. A step ahead of anything else on the market. The grid? Stuff it. I'll worry about it in another 5 years.

It's about time marketeers out there realise that they do NOT make markets. That era is GONE.

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Cheers
Nuno Souto
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