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Mladen Gogala wrote:
> On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 12:09:37 -0800, Daniel Morgan wrote:
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>>Total nonsense. The reason is that it is only now going through its >>second Beta. And Oracle doesn't want to release this with the same level >>of problems previously experienced with 9i and the 9.01 release.
So that it could be tested on different platforms, with different operating sytem versions and patches, under different loads by different people. Last time I checked that was the point of a Beta.
You said that you're testing
> 10g. What exactly are you testing?
See above. The NDA prohibits being more specific.
Did you agree on the plan and deadlines
> for testing before they gave you the software? No?
Not No. Yes. But understand testers don't determine when a test starts or stops. They do as they are instructed for as long as they are instructed. And please don't think they give this stuff out to individuals. This is the University of Washington.
If not, you cannot say
> that you're doing serious testing. For instance, I could live with a beta
> version, without support, for testing & learning purposes only, and yet I
> cannot get the software.
No doubt Bill Gates would have been happy with the Alpha. The business has never worked that way. Didn't in 1980 and won't in 2080 though I am sympathetic.
> In addition to that, I know about non-disclosure agreements from
> other people that are testing 10g. If my argument is a total nonsense, why
> is 10g shrouded in secrecy so much that it was necessary to protect it by
> using non-disclosure agreements?
I have participated in Betas for more than 20 years. Not once have I had an Alpha or Beta without signing an NDA. The only exception I can think of was once or twice when Microsoft tried to distribute Betas for promotional purposes: You'll note they don't do that any more. And there is a very good reason.
No, I firmly believe that Oracle is
> trying to give unfair advantage to some people.
80% of the market is still using 8i? What do you think we are going to do with our 10g skills? Go out and compete in Bangalore for jobs? How many months will it be before 10g is certified for Oracle Apps? You'll be an expert at 10g long before you will have any reason to care provided you actually have learned 9i. How well do you really think you know 9i?
Are you working with pipelined table functions?
Are you using associative arrays?
Are you using FGAC?
Are you using Workspace management?
Are you working with V_$DB_CACHE_ADVICE?
If nothing else, handling
> of 10g is a huge marketing blunder and a proof that oracle has idiots in
> high places in the marketing division. That, in itself, is a reason for me
> to get away from them.
Proof of that being the numbers released on Wall Street?
Too reminiscent of DEC. Of course, if they're
> trying to give unfair advantage to their buddies, then they are idiots to
> the 10th degree, which leads to the same defensive action.
I understand you are frustrated and angry because people have something you want. But this is a bit of over-reaction.
>
>>Would you rather have it right or rather have it like a version 1.0 from >>Microsoft?
We're trying. What do you expect from gigabytes of software? Absolute perfection?
>
>>Why was the statement nonsense? Because consultants, such as myself, >>make more money from buggy software.
Which is why it must be thoroughly tested.
As a
> consultant, I was making money on knowing how to use and configure
> software as well as knowing how to diagnose problems in user's software.
> I cannot write patches for Oracle RDBMS and I doubt that you can.
Don't even try.
If you
> can't, how can you profit from buggy software?
Spend hours on the phone trying to diagnose what is wrong?
That's a total nonsense, if
> I've ever seen one. The fact remains that you have 10g and I cannot get it,
> which is fundamentally unfair. As someone who has started with Oracle 4,
> who has been dealing UFI, IAP1.3 and IAG1.3, SQLPME (5.1), IOR (5.1) and
> all the versions henceforth, I'm not particularly scared by the bugs in
> RDBMS. I only do not see why should you have an opportunity to learn the
> software 6-8 months before me? That is unfair and brings to mind the
> PeopleSoft story. If they're trying to destroy PeopleSoft, one of their
> largest customers and promoters, what can I expect? You didn't convince me.
But seriously I was trying to lighten the mood. You are making far more out of this than it is worth. Learn the software? Learn what? That is not what we are doing. We are testing. We are beating the heck out of it on HP/UX, Solaris, Linux, and Windows and checking out every little backwater obscure piece of syntax we can find.
Is there some fun working with grid? Absolutely. But the price of admission is a name server, enough other servers to cobble together a grid, and a little thing called a SAN. Got one?
-- Daniel Morgan http://www.outreach.washington.edu/ext/certificates/oad/oad_crs.asp http://www.outreach.washington.edu/ext/certificates/aoa/aoa_crs.asp damorgan_at_x.washington.edu (replace 'x' with a 'u' to reply)Received on Wed Dec 17 2003 - 02:50:14 CST
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