Re: Why don't we have a charter (was: New Oracle monitoring tool ...)

joel-garry_at_home.com (Joel Garry) wrote in message news:<91884734.0311121105.424e8431_at_posting.google.com>...
> who use google, for example. So I like Howard's suggestion of keeping
> it short, although 15 lines is barely enough for a link to a website.

Yeah, the shortest possible.

>
> Naivete` isn't really a good reason for flamage. Screwing up after
> being warned is.

Tell that to law enforcers... :)

> may or may not do that. Would it be better if we just didn't call it
> a faq and called it an RMF (READ ME FIRST)? Think about the reasons

Akshally, that sounds good. Or even simply README. But in keeping with the tradition of the Usenet I reckon it must be called FAQ.

> way? I have a feeling there are a number of people who've briefly
> lurked here and could have been good contributors, but have gone away
> after seeing meanness, and others who likewise could have been good
> contributors but were flamed off early. You have to put yourself in
> the shoes of the newbie.

Well, my feeling is that most newbies here don't really fall into that category. What we have is the modern attitude that something can be gotten for nothing: newbies come here and expect immediate reply to what in many cases are silly questions that could be answered with a 30 second read of an on-line manual. And they get their noses out of joint if Sy or Daniel give them what they deserve: a whack across the ears.

The funny thing is that these same newbies (and I've seen a few concrete examples) then go to one of the private lists or metaclick forums and behave in a reasonable manner. Ie, they don't give a hoot about their approach to Usenet because they're used to an environment where Usenet is just something that can be used and abused without major consequence.

I don't think publishing a FAQ here is gonna change that attitude one bit. But hey, it's just my feeling. If anyone is game enough to host one, it's fine with me.

> You know, if you get thrown in jail for driving a 914-6 130 in a 70
> zone, you might think "well that's a fair cop." But how would you
> feel if there were no posted speed limits on the Autobahn?

A "fair cop" sends me to jail for driving a 914-6 the way it was designed to be driven? :D

Cheers
Nuno Souto
wizofoz2k_at_yahoo.com.au.nospam Received on Wed Nov 12 2003 - 19:56:56 CST