Path: newssvr20.news.prodigy.com!newsmst01.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!prodigy.com!news-out.triton.net!triton.net!newsfeeder.triton.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-01!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Daniel Morgan Newsgroups: comp.databases.oracle.server Subject: Re: Why don't we have a charter Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 12:42:40 -0800 Organization: ATS Message-ID: <1068583381.429052@yasure> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1068184734.635327@yasure> <6ZNqb.244$KN4.128503@news1.news.adelphia.net> <3FB07AB4.6487DBB@yahoo.net> <3fb07ed9$0$16012$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> In-Reply-To: <3fb07ed9$0$16012$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------020201070806070105040508" Cache-Post-Path: yasure!unknown@pond178.drizzle.com X-Cache: nntpcache 2.4.0b5 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 171 Xref: newssvr20.news.prodigy.com comp.databases.oracle.server:247465 --------------020201070806070105040508 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Howard J. Rogers wrote: >"Hans Forbrich" wrote in message >news:3FB07AB4.6487DBB@yahoo.net... > > >>"Jaap W. van Dijk" wrote: >> >> >>>My suggestion: why isn't there a charter with aims of the newsgroup >>>and behavioural rules that is posted regularly in the newsgroup (once >>>a day, once a week?) like I have seen in other newsgroups? >>> >>>Jaap. >>> >>> >>Ummmmmm - there is a charter. it's been around for a loooooong time. >>The vote to create the 5 groups cdo/cdo.{tools misc server marketplace} >>took place December 1996. Prior to that there was a published charter >>for cdo [comp.database.oracle]. >> >>To find the charter and the aims of the groups, all a person really has >>to do is use a search engine and enter 'comp.databases.oracle charter' >>to get the first part of your request answered. (Is it really necessary >>to post it regularily?) >> >>As far as posting behaviour suggestions, I really don't think this >>newsgroup wants behaviour any different than any other newsgroup. That >>means the standard 'Emily Post' stuff is valid - again, anyone could use >>a search engine and enter 'newsgroup etiquette' and get the answer. (If >>we start posting the netiquette, I'm sure we'll get into the top/bottom >>post wars - again!) >> >>I really don't understand why we would need to post that information >>regularly. Is internet searching really all that complicated that >>people can't do it on their own? >> >>/Hans >> >> > >I vote for a short, sharp FAQ that says: > >"The following groups are available... and this is what they are used for... > >Then: visits these sites and do some searching before posting a question >(and then list tahiti.oracle.com, google.com, jlcomp and asktom. Add other >sites if people clamour for it). > >Then : Never post without details of an operating system and an Oracle >version, because answers are often frequently highly-version dependent." > >Anything longer than about 15 lines isn't going to be worth the bother. > >And that would be about it. I agree that for the rest, commonsense and >standard netiquette should prevail. > >Regards >HJR > > I'm with Howard. Short, sweet, to the point, and the only thing I'd add is the note Sybrand posted to someone earlier today ... 'look up your own error messages' and perhaps mention of the fact that we will give hints to students but not do their work for them. -- Daniel Morgan http://www.outreach.washington.edu/ext/certificates/oad/oad_crs.asp http://www.outreach.washington.edu/ext/certificates/aoa/aoa_crs.asp damorgan@x.washington.edu (replace 'x' with a 'u' to reply) --------------020201070806070105040508 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Howard J. Rogers wrote:
"Hans Forbrich" <forbrich@yahoo.net> wrote in message
news:3FB07AB4.6487DBB@yahoo.net...
  
"Jaap W. van Dijk" wrote:
    
My suggestion: why isn't there a charter with aims of the newsgroup
and behavioural rules that is posted regularly in the newsgroup (once
a day, once a week?) like I have seen in other newsgroups?

Jaap.
      
Ummmmmm - there is a charter.  it's been around for a loooooong time.
The vote to create the 5 groups cdo/cdo.{tools misc server marketplace}
took place December 1996.  Prior to that there was a published charter
for cdo [comp.database.oracle].

To find the charter and the aims of the groups, all a person really has
to do is use a search engine and enter 'comp.databases.oracle charter'
to get the first part of your request answered.  (Is it really necessary
to post it regularily?)

As far as posting behaviour suggestions, I really don't think this
newsgroup wants behaviour any different than any other newsgroup.  That
means the standard 'Emily Post' stuff is valid - again, anyone could use
a search engine and enter 'newsgroup etiquette' and get the answer.  (If
we start posting the netiquette, I'm sure we'll get into the top/bottom
post wars - again!)

I really don't understand why we would need to post that information
regularly.  Is internet searching really all that complicated that
people can't do it on their own?

/Hans
    

I vote for a short, sharp FAQ that says:

"The following groups are available... and this is what they are used for...

Then: visits these sites and do some searching before posting a question
(and then list tahiti.oracle.com, google.com, jlcomp and asktom. Add other
sites if people clamour for it).

Then : Never post without details of an operating system and an Oracle
version, because answers are often frequently highly-version dependent."

Anything longer than about 15 lines isn't going to be worth the bother.

And that would be about it. I agree that for the rest, commonsense and
standard netiquette should prevail.

Regards
HJR
I'm with Howard. Short, sweet, to the point, and the only thing I'd add is the note Sybrand
posted to someone earlier today ... 'look up your own error messages' and perhaps mention
of the fact that we will give hints to students but not do their work for them.
-- 
Daniel Morgan
http://www.outreach.washington.edu/ext/certificates/oad/oad_crs.asp
http://www.outreach.washington.edu/ext/certificates/aoa/aoa_crs.asp
damorgan@x.washington.edu
(replace 'x' with a 'u' to reply)
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