Re: Outsourcing developer to India and China - As an Oracle developer I am miffed

"John Rutherford" <jr1.rutherford_at_virgin.net> wrote in message news:HuBfb.639$b73.955324_at_newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net...

> Are we having our life opportunities terminated
> and rolled out at a cheaper cost in these countries.

Yes.

> I thought Globalisation was supposed to bring competition

Yes. Unfortunately, outsourcing has NOTHING to do with competition. It can't, when you and just about everyone else in a Western country is forbidden by the Indian and Chinese governments from competing in their markets. Ever tried to quote for an IT project in India? You won't even get past their e-mail filters! About time this "competition" crap is exposed...

> - Instead our IT manager are giving away our livlyhoods for nothing.
> So what if cheaper - Is it ethical?????

Business has never been about ethics.

> 2 things we can do
> Boycott organisations who outsource

That's a good start. It works. But takes a while.

> Be ethical as a customer and use vendors who do not outsource
> ie Pick who you bank with and by food from carefully- you get the idea

Yes. It also works.

Here is another idea:

• Compete with them. It's false to pretend that a developer in India costs a company in the USA $20/day. That's what the worker gets there, but that is NOT what the company in the US is being charged. There is a loado of parasites in the middle, the "pimps", who are charging a lot more and making a fat living. Eat into their income and you'll see the outsourcing fad vanish like smoke.

Compete with the pimp. The prices they charge are quite feasible for someone living in Western countires to match if they are allowed to use the same media: remote links, ssh. Propose along the same lines. You can find out how much they charge at the end of the line from their web sites. I've seen prices that I can match here in Australia. If I am allowed to use the same media. My biggest business cost is by far transportation and its associated costs: restaurant food, extras, etc. I can trim those down to 0 if I can use the same delivery methods as the pimps.

If you don't look after your market, don't expect anyone to do it for you...

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Nuno Souto
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