Re: Interesting info about Oracle

I HAVE contacted Oracle support MANY times in the past 12 years. BTW ... I know this number of years doesn't make me (or anyone) an expert on anything about Oracle.

If you say you have a down production system , you get un-believe-able support, in my opinion.

If you say you have a problem with a bug, the response has been reasonable, in my opinion.

You say you have a tuning problem, they rightly tell you to contact Oracle Consultants (at an extra cost) because you won't spend the time to tune your system and want someone to do it for you.

One recent experience... I logged an iTAR saying I had a down production system and had lost all copies of all REDO logs ... hoping someone could pull off a miracle and help me. Of course, they just talked me thru doing a point in time recovery applying all the available archived logs and we only lost about an hour of work.

Note: Please no one lecture me about REDO mirroring... back then I had 4 groups with 2 members each and each member was on a Raid simple mirrored disk separate from the other group member. We had a strange UPS problem that cause the "lights" to flicker about 20 times in 10 seconds. Burnt 5 out of 12 disks in a RAID array (4 for 2 simple mirrors). Since then, I have moved the Oracle multi-plex 2nd member to a separate RAID array in the unlikely (but obviously possible) condition of losing all mirrored multi-plexed REDO logs. I am considering adding a 3rd member on a new RAID array we just added.

Hmmm... I have no idea, but I wonder how does that free software handle a situation like this ?

Also, isn't Oracle license exactly the way you describe it TODAY. I think anyone is free to develop/evaluate any Oracle software for free - so, no up front license cost.

You have to pay for support/license when you want to deploy your application using Oracle software ... I call this support costs. And , you pay for knowledge when you buy a license because with the license, Oracle support DOES help.

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"Keith" <nospam_at_nospam.com> wrote in message
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>    I am not a sales-person for PGSql. I have been using Oracle for about

> 10 years - since Oracle7. Today it is too costly and dangerous to deal

> with Oracle. I am just tired of all the lemmings going out and buying

> Oracle and destroying competition and creating a situation that leads to

> another Microsoft-like monopoly. Prices go sky-high, quality goes down

> (call support and you will know what I mean) and the company that is

> left, rides our collective a*ses and dictates what we can do.

>

> Paying for software licenses will go the way of button-down shoes.  Pay

> for integration, support and knowledge but don't blow money on

> seat-licensing.

>

> Burton Peltier wrote:

> > Sounds like you forgot to ask for your change in that deal ... who in

their


> > right mind pays $40,000 per cpu ?  Not us and nobody I have ever talked

to.


> >

> > One day Oracle (for databases) and Microsoft (uhhh.. too damn much) will

> > fall from their current market dominance and hopefully (but not

necessarily)


> > be replaced by better products.

> >

> > But, free (initial cost only) software will not necessarily be the

winner...


> > just because the initial cost is free. They will need to make a better

> > product or have better "sales" people .

> >

> > So far your sales pitch isn't going too far for me either.

> >

>