Path: news.easynews.com!core-easynews!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed-west.nntpserver.com!hub1.meganetnews.com!nntpserver.com!headwall.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: joel-garry@home.com (Joel Garry) Newsgroups: comp.databases.oracle.server Subject: Re: Are Oracle GUIs causing a decline in DBA salaries? Date: 5 May 2003 17:48:26 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 34 Message-ID: <91884734.0305051648.230c72b7@posting.google.com> References: <73e20c6c.0304271526.4c97f9d7@posting.google.com> <3EAD5943.4DD74F3F@telusplanet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.116.125.178 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1052182106 4090 127.0.0.1 (6 May 2003 00:48:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 May 2003 00:48:26 GMT Xref: core-easynews comp.databases.oracle.server:185354 X-Received-Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 17:47:54 MST (news.easynews.com) Galen Boyer wrote in message news:... > On Mon, 28 Apr 2003, kfarrell@belgariad.com wrote: > > > Using the command line doesn't make a DBA _more_ skilled than one who > > doesn't. > > No, it doesn't. I think the thing people notice with the command line > is that they can query everything Oracle will expose to them. With a > gui, they are relegated to that which the GUI provides. > > But, the more important distinction is that there are outside tools that > allow one to be extremely productive with a command-line that can never > be duplicated in a GUI, like, scripting. Once you start doing your work > by utilizing multiple tools to do it, instead of the one-stop shopping > of GUI you sort of never go back... What really drives me nuts about GUI's is there is no reason they should be mutually exclusive with command lines and scripts - even OEM has "SHOW SQL" tabs. The fact that they appear to be is bad GUI design. I seem to recall some of the products do simply run scripts, which can be observed and changed. But I guess ever since .inp files went away... :-) > > I try them both and what I find is that I'll use a GUI for a bit and > find what I like that I didn't have before and then run over to sqlplus > and write the script that gives me the same answer. LOL! Done that too. Still like some of the pretty pictures though. jg -- @home.com is bogus. Engage!