Re: Oracle: Naked King in database land?

"Mikito Harakiri" <mikharakiri_at_ywho.com> wrote in message news:<5ljja.4$1%6.119_at_news.oracle.com>...
> "Noons" <wizofoz2k_at_yahoo.com.au.nospam> wrote in message
> news:Xns9353C7F634FE9Tokenthis_at_210.49.20.254...
> > Have you ever used a Unix-based IDE? Or you just venting
> > your total ignorance? Do you realize the gui-based IDE
> > appeared in Unix LONG before it ever existed in Windoze?
>
> XWindow based? Sure. But you have to realize that it was the market that
> created by MSWindows that sparkled real tools vendors competition and
> innovation.

Yes, timing is everything, marketing beats technical innovation every time.

>
> > > changing with [portable] Java Swing based tools, like JBuilder.
> >
> > You gotta be joking. Have you ever worked with JDeveloper?
>
> FYI Oracle licenced JBuilder code initially -- smart move, as they didn't
> have established presence in the tools business. If you asking me if
> JDeveloper is better than JBullder today (their codebases grow apart to the
> point where JDeveloper 5.0 was a complete, all java rewrite), then, I don't
> know. I would suspect however, that Borland doesn't make such an assh**e
> moves like suddenly dropping lightweight Tomkat servlet engine and starting
> bundling the tool with this Application Server monster.
>
> > Hang on a tick there: from your dislike of Unix and vi
> > you jump to "Oracle not being strong on gui"?
> > Hehehe! Right............
>
> Just compare TOAD, SQLNav to OEM. Then, take Oracle Forms. Do you need any
> more examples?

"Take Oracle Forms - Please!" :-)

Well, I think Oracle generally concentrated on the db market, leaving good tools to be developed independently - then when each market is somewhat mature, it swoops in and takes over. Just like IBM (with the glaring exception of PC's) and MS. Let's see what happens in the next couple years with OEM, shall we?

As far as TOAD, didn't Quest swoop in and grab it? Will they be able to keep all there products far enough ahead of Oracle to stay in business? Time will tell...

jg

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