Re: Oracle and Java. Does Oracle know something some of us don't?

"dmz17" <dmz17_at_nospam.nowhere.com> wrote in message news:<pan.2003.01.06.18.21.42.720822_at_nospam.nowhere.com>...
> On Mon, 06 Jan 2003 17:21:30 +0000, Karsten Farrell wrote:
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> dmz17

I hate to go back to the basics again. I categorically indicated that oracle was strategically moving and touting Java as the lingua franca. But everybody must remember why Oracle embraced Java in the first place was not C/C++ a cross platform open language why did not Oracle initiate efforts to enlarge and standardize C++ despite knowing the fact every major operating system to oracle database kernel even today is written in C++ and embrace C++. Despite Java's wide popularity and free JDK even today C/C++ is the most widely used language to develop real serious mission critical applications.
It as stood the test of time. But nobody bothered to make C++ as VB or Delphi.The reason why Oracle supported Java was because of the cosy relationship
Oracle had with Sun at that time. Since, Sun was in bed with Oracle they supported and embraced Java I would say somebody is a fool if he says Java
is better than C++. C++ is even today the best and most powerful language it only needs proper committments from vendors to make it as easy to use as Visual Basic or Delphi or PowerBuilder. I would take a bet if Apple wants to make C++ the language of choice I can bet they will develop
a killer language on top of C++ why can't Oracle do it.

This is the best part why Oracle did it read further, the relationship between Oracle and Sun is sour if I can say why did Scott McNeilly decide not to show up at Oracle Open World very simple Oracle embraced Linux. Linux before even it bites Windows it will sweep clean all versions of UNIXes the first would be Solaris. If Solaris goes and if Intel Itanium and P4 based Linux servers can do the same job as the beastly Sun, HP 7 IBM UNIX servers at 1/10 th the price in Linux servers from Dell only brainless morons would be buying UNIX boxes. Like it or not
this is where Oracle is screaming and taking the crowd in its Real application cluster-RAC. Oracle will lead the industry to decimate UNIX servers and create a upsurge in LINUX deployment. This is all bad news for Sun. Hey look at Sun's (The Java Company) stock price is around $3. Now there is open talk that a decimated Sun will be acquired by IBM. Remember the arch nemesis of Oracle is not Microsoft it is IBM, Larry dreads IBM even in is dreams and if IBM starts controlling Java guess what Larry would do he will press the deinstall button on Java. This is to put more gracefully called vendor politics. Why would Larry support IBM ?

I have worked on other legacy systems like SAP R/3. SAP is all proprietary
written in ABAP which Larry has rebuked time and again and even called SAP a dinosaur now SAP have extended ABAP to be object oriented it is all ugly it is nowhere comparable to PL/SQL but that is what they are extending. Java came and now it is going SAP have not budged they have stuck with the shocking proprietary language ABAP. I am amused that Oracle with such a powerful language like PL/SQL does not want to make it OO and develop it. Hey even Perl is Object oriented now.

As somebody aptly said embracing Java would make Oracle smell like roses.
BTW the next release of Microsoft SQL Server that is being released - Yukon in Mar 2003. SQL Server apparently can run stored procedures written in C, C++, Visual Basic, ASP, Visual J++ (MS Java) and all .Net languages including Perl & XMLScript in the SQL server engine MS is building a CLR runtime environment into SQL Server - imagine all those millions of lines of VB code that can be straight moved into the database that too as compiled code. The development tool for SQL Server will be the touted Visual Studio and language not T-SQL but C++, C#, VB & ASP will not Oracle have a serious Guess what will Oracle and DB2 respond
then !!. If Oracle was serious of server side programming options it must have
supported C/C++, Java, Pl/SQL giving programming language options rather
than forcign the world to just Java.

To put simply PL/SQL is another me too ran programming language for Oracle.
If you do not trust me pose this question to Larry in the forthcoming Oracle Apps world conference when Larry has is pet Q&A session that he loves so much to answer. He will without hestitation say Oracle is moving
away from PL/SQL. - Like it or not that is the truth he will even abuse PL/SQL calling it proprietary and of course he will shots at SAP at that but worthwhile posing this question to Larry than to us on the forum or Tom Kytes.

Cha
Simon Received on Tue Jan 07 2003 - 00:19:02 CST