Re: I want to be oracle master.

I understand that if someone is in the UK they are not necessarily English. Likewise if they are in the US they may not speak English well. I agree that English may not be their primary language. However, it will put them behind the eight ball in an English speaking country. I am not implying if you don't speak English you are not intelligent. Speaking English and level of intelligence and technical capabilities have nothing to do with one another. However, if you are applying for a job at a place where the common language is X and you don't speak it very well then you are at a disadvantage. The same analogy is true if I tried to apply for a job in France. I speak very very poor French. (much worse than Lone Wolf's English) I would expect that the French company would not be putting me at the top of the list of candidates to call to interview.

My point is that clear communication is a very important skill, regardless of the language. In the majority of jobs you have to interact with other people and if you have trouble communicating then, all else being equal, you are not as valuable.

I hope Lone Wolf gets a job and one he enjoys and pays him well. It is tough out there. Certainly in the US we are in a recession. The criticism is not out of line. He improves his chances (in those places where English is the primary language) if he improves his communication skills. Regardless of the language communication is difficult. My suggestions are meant to give him some insight and possibly help. I think one would be hard pressed to claim my tone was a harsh or an attacking one.

Jim

"David Fitzjarrell" <oratune_at_msn.com> wrote in message news:32d39fb1.0211071011.2d60d604_at_posting.google.com...
> Simply because someone is in the UK doesn't necessarily mean they are
> English. A good number of people from the Middle East and the Far
> East make their way to 'jolly old England' for jobs and education.
> This, then, makes them part of the group where English is NOT their
> primary language. Given that, your statements criticising the English
> of Lone Wolf are probably out of line.
>
> It's a diverse world we live in. It's nice to remember that now and
> again.
>
> David Fitzjarrell
>
> "Jim Kennedy" <kennedy-family_at_attbi.com> wrote in message
news:<lVky9.64620$bG.47405_at_rwcrnsc53>...
> > A better command of English would help. You say you are in the UK and
to me
> > that means English. If you had said you were in a country where English
is
> > not the main language then I wouldn't suggest better English writing
skills.
> > I just helped one of the guys at work sort through a ton of resumes for
an
> > IT job - I am in the US - and we rejected a lot of resumes from people
who
> > did not take the time to:
> > 1. Check their spelling.
> > 2. Violated basic grammatical rules where complete sentences were
expected.
> > (eg the cover letter)
> > 3. Left off the requested cover letter. (poor attention to detail, no
> > writing sample)
> >
> > Skills are important. However, good communication skills are part of
the
> > job. Use proper grammar for the language the job is in. I don't mean
use
> > "fancy" words, just clear communication. Think about the poor sod
reading
> > all those resumes. Make it fun, make it interesting, make it so they
want
> > to call you up and ask about your work experience. Make the resume,
without
> > lying, fit the requirements for the job.
> >
> > Just trying to give you some constructive pointers. I hope it helps.
> > Jim
> >
> > "ITWOLF" <it_wolf2003_at_yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:77a5fc7a.0211060732.814332d_at_posting.google.com...
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > I'm a 30 years old IT engineer with 3 years experience in nokia
> > > switching platform doing SW integration for dx200. Anyway currently
> > > I'm in UK and I'm not working and frankly I CAN't FINAD A JOB AND
> > > THAT'S MAKE ME FEEL TIRED. No one need my experience. And all what I
> > > see is oracle job add are every where. Now I tried to look how I can
> > > study oracle but it cost a lot for only few days course, University's
> > > just forget about it, I need skill and not papers.
> > > Anyone can tell where and how to get the bloody skills of oracle.
> > > Thanks and I hope you can help.
> > >
> > > Lost Wolf
Received on Thu Nov 07 2002 - 22:29:06 CST