Re: Is Sr. DBAs afraid of not be able to pass cert exam ??

I think we largely agree that it's not enough simply to have "time spent" as a measure of ability.

My point also was not that the "other years are the same", but rather that within a year a normally intelligent, well-motivated individual with the right attitude would be more than capable of performing "standard" DBA duties.

Personally, I would rather have a well-motivated person with one year's experience and the right attitude (which, of course, means the same attitude as me <g>) than a badly motivated person with 10 years' experience and a bad attitude.

Tom Dyess <tdyess_at_dyessindustries.com> wrote in message news:4Ff68.173365$_w.27275641_at_typhoon.tampabay.rr.com...
> No, the initial point was that after your first year of DBA work, all
other
> years are the same. I didn't think that was true in most cases (of course,
> lazy-asses won't learn much their first year and continue not to learn
much
> the years after that if they inface are still employed)
>
> Tom
> www.oraclepower.com
>
> "Jeff" <jeff_at_work.com> wrote in message
> news:a3bl20$rde$2_at_cronkite.cc.uga.edu...
> > Guh! !@#$% newsreader!!! Lopped off my first sentence!
> >
> > That's not "totally untrue" by your own statement yet. You seem to
be...
> >
> > In article <a3bk4s$rde$1_at_cronkite.cc.uga.edu>, jeff_at_work.com (Jeff)
wrote:
> > >arguing that the QUALITY and depth of experience is far more important
> than
> > >the mere number of years, which is, I think, precisely what Keith was
> saying.
> > >
> > >I certainly agree that OCP certification is not enough to judge the
> potential
> > >of an applicant, but if all you're comparing is numbers of years of
> experience
> > >vs. an OCP certification (vs. a college degree, in fact) without
looking
> any
> > >deeper than that, I believe you're just as apt to hire a dud either way
> you
> > >go.
> > >
> > >
> > >In article <AxX58.167861$_w.25778169_at_typhoon.tampabay.rr.com>, "Tom
> Dyess"
> > ><tdyess_at_dyessindustries.com> wrote:
> > >>That's totally untrue. It depends on what you do with your time. If
you
> sit
> > >>there and occupy space, ofcourse not, but if you are put in a position
> where
> > >>you're the only one to manage the DB, or tune the code, or whatever,
and
> all
> > >>eyes are on you, you bet you will learn and learn fast. It's called
> baptism
> > >>by fire, and no certification will improve your skills better than
that.
> > >>
> > >>Tom
> > >>www.oraclepower.com
> > >>
> > >>"Keith Boulton" <kboulton_at_ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> > >>news:3oX58.2040$zB.589982_at_news2-win.server.ntlworld.com...
> > >>>
> > >>> Nuno Souto <nsouto_at_optushome.com.au.nospam> wrote in message
> > >>> news:3c57bbef.7062649_at_news-vip.optusnet.com.au...
> > >>>
> > >>> > And you don't get "understanding, motivation and talent" by
> > >>> > "certificate training". Certainly not when the only thing said
> > >>> > certification teaches is the location of the buttons. Instead of
> the
> > >>> > principles behind their operation!
> > >>>
> > >>> I couldn't agree more.
> > >>>
> > >>> However, you also do not get "understanding, motivation and talent"
> simply
> > >>> by "serving time" which is what judging by "years of experience"
comes
> > >>down
> > >>> to.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> >
>
>
Received on Thu Jan 31 2002 - 16:08:02 CST