Re: MARKED FOR POOP Re: PEAR DB 1.6.0 has been released - now OT if not originally

Ed Avis <ed_at_membled.com> wrote in message news:<l1fzcvjqqm.fsf_at_budvar.future-i.net>...
> ed.prochak_at_magicinterface.com (Ed prochak) writes:
>
> >>... Announcements about PEAR and PHP are not SPAM.
> >
> >In a sense, you are correct. The original comment should have been
> >that the announcement of the PEAR DB in comp.database.oracle.misc and
> >c.d.o.server is OFF TOPIC.
>
> Why? .server maybe. But for .misc: the article is related to Oracle,
> does not belong in any more specific group, and is within the terms of
> the group's charter.

Okay, I see that it is a DBI (DB Interface), so the original posting was a little misleading. It doesn't change my arguement about .misc being the wrong place for it.

>
> >Of the 4 ORACLE groups it might belong in c.d.o.marketplace.
>
> The charter for that group says it is for commercial announcements;
> the article about PEAR DB was not commercial, so it is not appropriate
> for .marketplace.

Whether the product earns money for the poster or not, it is still a PRODUCT announcement. I'd still prefer it go in .marketplace group.

Also "open source" does not by itself mean non-commercial. here's a test:
 How would a casual reader know that in c.d.o.marketplace the article

Subj: new PEAR DBI released

      is ON topic but

Subj: new SAP released

      is OFF topic?

I cannot see the difference. "splain it to me lucy"

>
> >Then again, announcement of the PEAR DB might even be off topic in
> >c.d.o.marketplace, since it is NOT and ORACLE related product or
> >service. (Announcing PHP there would work, given that PHP connects to
> >ORACLE and other DBMS products.)
>
> PEAR DB is a database access library for PHP; PHP itself would be
> offtopic but database access tools are not.

As noted earlier, a more descriptive name might help. As I switch from reading comp.databases and comp.databases.oracle.misc, I easily misread the standalone "DB" to mean that PEAR is a DATABASE.

 Thanks for correcting me here.

>
> >The announcement belonged in comp.databases only, with perhaps cross
> >postings in APPROPRIATE open source groups (there might be one that
> >fits.)
>
> If there were a comp.databases.oracle.free-software group or a
> comp.databases.oracle.announce, those would be more appropriate, but
> since those groups do not exist it's reasonable to put the message in
> .misc.

These discussions are good, if nothing else, for getting the regular posters on the same page about what's off topic.

  Ed Received on Tue Mar 02 2004 - 12:52:51 CST