Re: Reports in 9i (first release)

On 19 Oct 2002 11:32:20 GMT, noodles_at_aol.com (Noodles) wrote:

>"Captain, should I send another volley over his bow ?"
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>Rant_mode :=TRUE
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>Enrico,
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>You responded in an elitist manner so I thought I'd return the favor.

after some babelfish I'll reply to you.. :) I cant find in a short time what rant means, but I can figure it out.. :)

About my "elitist manner" I can nly say that I'm not so good at english writing to choose among manners.. so It's a misunderstood... As you can see I wanted only to say my opinion.. after all looking for help is for humble people.. not for an elite member. ..but let's talk about the real thing.

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>You said SQL report writing is not really programming and advised that only
>DDL, DML, packages is "real" programming. YO Einstein, what in god's name do
>you think you used to type your glorious DDL and DML? SQL perhaps?

mmhh.. You have taken my words and interpreted it out of the context they've been said. I'll try to explain..

        The UW Professor said me to do all the "heavyweight work" in sql*plus because "there are no shortcuts in education". this is true, but in my case I see an exception..

        In this context when I say that writing reports is not really programming I want to say that the real hard stuff in a database programming is analisys. modelling and (after all) coding packages etc etc...

        so when I ask for a tool I don't want to escape from hard work.. because I've already done the hardest one, ok?

About real programming and SQL.. I thing that SQL is a powerful technology and i like it.. about reports: I thought I need a tool because I realised that all the work I had to do was a repetitive: get user input, fire query/procedure, present result.. 50 times.. I don't wanted to write 1 million time the same (easy) thing.. that's all.

>I've been using SQL since Oracle 6 and just installed the 9i client SR2
>yesterday. AND, I've used SQL Navigator, TOAD, Discoverer, SQL*Reportwriter
>(?), Designer, Frog and probably a couple of others that I can't remember. Yet
>just last week I needed to write a basic SQL*Plus report because it was EASIER.

        This reply is much useful than the
do-it-by-yourself-because-of-education-purpose from the UoW Prof. I don't know if using sql*plus is easier.. I know it's easy because now I've written all the 50 menus in day using notepad (ok ultraedit 9, but this is a detail) and sql*plus.. i've remainded the chance to use a productivity tool for the next time.

> My point is don't slam something just because it's a mature product. Using
>that silly logic, why are you using a keyboard that hasn't changed
>siginificantly in almost 80 years?

        try using a mouse.. it's only a 20 years old mature tech..:) moreover Logitech is an italian founded/managed firm.. :)

        apart jokes...

        I don't want to slam nothing... but as your logic (surely far better than mine) web designers must use a mature notepad (emacs) tech to create their wbsites? Without a tool you never see great sites as the one you see now...

>Enjoy your sheltered life in the University because in the real world, it's...
> kinda different out here. :)

        I know the real world very well.. I work and study since 19 in the IT field.. now I'm 28... If I lived a bucolic college experience I took my degree at 24. moreover the italian university is very different from the american ones... here you can take a degree playing basketball...:) [please no flames, ok?] no green fields, no campus, no party ( without Martini).. it's more like hell than you think.

>Points for consideration: You may have written the most beautiful, Xtremely
>porgammed database on the planet, BUT if my CEO can't get a SQL paper report
>out of it for his silly quaterly report, it's useless. And unless you work for
>a software company, databases/applications are written to support some other
>business process, PERIOD.

        this is true. but I don't know why you say it in this post. what say it's obvious and well known.. I don't want not-to-write reports, I want a tool to write better reports in a shorter time to make my boss happy.

>Rant_mode := FALSE
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>Sorry for the rant mode everybody, but I've been up half the night with my sick
>3 yr old daughter; I'm the Vomit Patrol Team Lead), and ignorant youth making
>silly statements really, really pushes my buttons.

I'm the "ignorant youth making silly statements" ? If you try to read my previous post, when your daughter will get better, paying more attention to what you read you will understand that I'm neither ignorant and youth.. and that I dont say nothing wrong.

>sleepless in PA,
>Cliff
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Bye Cliff... At the end writing and reading these useless posts took me longer than writing the reports i need. Why everybody preached me and none helped saying that using sql*plus was faster and easier?

You americans have a strange way to spend your spare time.

Bye and thank you all

P.S.
If you are a sensitive american patriot substitud "americans" with the names of the posters and add my name... I didn't want to generalize. Received on Sat Oct 19 2002 - 07:39:03 CDT