Re: A little advice for a begginer please..

Excellent advice.

Daniel Morgan

Ryan Gaffuri wrote:

> Ive posted this before. My answer is no. Those companies are out to
> steal people's money. Yes there are people in this business without
> college degrees, but they got in a while ago. The number of people
> hiring entry level people with college degrees is incredibly small,
> especially in this economy. Far less than all the people being pumped
> out from these classes. You will be the same as they are without a
> college degree....
>
> Most of these classes are a scam. Sounds like that company is offering
> some kind of DBA certification? There is no such thing as an entry
> level DBA. Ok maybe there are 5-10 jobs nation wide for entry level
> DBAs a year. Nearly all DBAs have 2-4 years as an Oracle developer
> first. So if the school is offering DBA training and saying you will
> get a job. Hang up the phone. Certifications are not that useful
> either in this business.
>
> Its easy to test this. Take your current resume. Add some Oracle
> training to it. Say you know the following on the resume...
>
> SQL
> PL/SQL
> Forms 6i
> Reports 6i
> Database Administration
>
> Put down that you passed your "OCP" Its Oracle Certified Professional.
>
> Write up a paragraph about the class. Just take an excert from there
> advertising. Put it at the front. The only responses you will get will
> be from recruiters who do not know how to read a resume. Do this for 2
> months. Put it on the web.... If you want dont use your real name.
>
> Keep in mind that the economy is awful. There are people coming out of
> college with computer science degrees having trouble getting a job. If
> they are having trouble, how hard will it be for you?
>
> Gotta write this stuff. These "training" places are stealing people's
> money.
>
> Yeah getting a degree in your situation is not possible. It would take
> you 7-10 years around work. Dont know what to tell you. Just dont let
> those companies take your money.
>
> I just checked out techskills.com.. is that them? Its a joke.. there
> "mentors" are sales people. They always are... they know a little bit
> about the technical side and can talk well.. so they can make you
> think they know what they are talking about. This the one that wants
> to charge you $6k? Waste of money.
>
> Do you have a community college near you? Look at taking classes
> there. Take the classes that are part of the curriculum.. the
> continuing education ones are usually not state sponsored. The one in
> Northern Virginia is like $200 a class. They may make you take math
> first which depending on where you are at in math may take a while...
> but atleast its cheap.
>
> "shawn gregory" <sgregor6_at_tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message news:<vkGl8.228636$TV4.30749311_at_typhoon.tampabay.rr.com>...
> > I have a cursory knowledge of databases and computer hardware and software.
> > I really want to make a carreer change and I am interested in database
> > design and administration. I have a high school level education, and 15
> > years of working for myself in sales and running a real estate holding
> > company. I am wondering if I can get the education I need from" Tech
> > Skills", a trade school focusing ongetting the certifications like A+, MCP,
> > MCDBA, ORacle , etc. Again, Im starting from scratch here, but I love
> > learning. Is this a good route as far aspreparing me to enter the IT field?
> > Is there a better one? I know a degree may be more desirable, but it is also
> > loaded with classes on things I really dont want to take, as well as a
> > difficult schedule for me as I am raising a family of 5 and must continue to
> > work. Suggestions and opinions are appreciated
> > Shawn
Received on Tue Mar 19 2002 - 16:53:22 CST