Re: Does'nt the certification process help ?

The short term Oracle training is a scam. I live in Northern Virginia and the market is flooded with people coming out of these expensive classes(some cost upwards of $8,000). There really arent jobs available for people who only have a few months of training. Especially in a slow economy. The people who get jobs in the US are US Citizens with security clearances or they have other experience that is leveragable. Training companies will tell you that you can leverage nursing skills, etc... Its BS.

If you have other programmign experience, your good. If you are a CPA your pretty good. There is a tool called Oracle Financials. Alot of demand for CPAs with Oracle skills. Other than that its VERY tight. I would say that 80-90% of the people who take training classes who do not have any of the above skills do not get jobs. If not higher.

To test this simply send out your current resume and include a paragraph about Oracle training you got. You will get calls from recruiters who cant read resumes, but you probably wont get far. Maybe, you will get lucky, but 9 out of 10 wont.

Certification without experience helps a little bit, but what really helps is a computer science degree. The problem with hiring people right out of class is the following..

1. Most classes are not very good
2. Most people who take the classes dont do much. You have to do ALOT of work on the side when your just learning. 90% dont do nearly enough. So how do you tell who is ready?
3. People switch jobs on a dime in this business once you get experience so why spend money training you if your just gonna quit?
4. Your not really much cheaper. LEts say they can get you for $25k less than someone with 2 years experience right? Well you are going to need ALOT more help from people making $150-200k than someone with a little experience... that is a high cost.

I wont say dont do it. I did it and got a job... but I am in a very exclusive minority. BTW, stay away from any class that has the word boot camp in it. Total waste of money if your just learning. You need something that is about 2 nights a week for 3-4 months atleast. "Paul" <pauln_at_netcom.ca> wrote in message news:wF6i8.2605$a04.13899_at_tor-nn1.netcom.ca...
> I have been considering taking some Oracle courses, probably developer; I
> have been watching newsgroups and searching the web, which has led to a
> number of questions.
>
> 1) Has no-one in the group every been placed successfully after training ?
>
> 2) Does not the certification process (grade) help to distinguish
qualified
> people ? I am getting the impression that almost everyone passes
> certification.
>
> 3) Is it a question of the certification process not being as demanding as
> it should ?
>
> 4) I guess there is not any form of trainer rating available, is there ?
>
> I have alot more question's but that's probably more than enough for now.
> For info sake I am waiting on 9i, at which point I will install and
explore.
>
> BTW I'm in the Toronto area if anyone has any good training experiences.
>
> Regards,
> Paul
>
>
Received on Fri Mar 08 2002 - 18:28:19 CST