Xref: alice comp.databases.oracle:75543 comp.databases.oracle.misc:38706 comp.databases.oracle.server:61978 comp.databases.oracle.tools:30330 Path: alice!news-feed.fnsi.net!nntp01.net-okbr01.exodus.net!nntp01.net-okbr01.exodus.net!160.94.5.26!newshub.tc.umn.edu!news.eecs.umich.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn!garnet.nbnet.nb.ca!not-for-mail From: "D Parent" Newsgroups: comp.database.oracle,comp.database.oracle.server,comp.databases.oracle,comp.databases.oracle.misc,comp.databases.oracle.server,comp.databases.oracle.tools,comp.database.oracle.marketplace Subject: Re: OCP Exams & Self Test Software Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 18:13:10 -0300 Organization: NBTel Internet Lines: 238 Message-ID: <7p9us3$6ne$1@garnet.nbnet.nb.ca> References: <7osjjk$dla$1@garnet.nbnet.nb.ca> <7ov1pe$cqp$1@uranium.btinternet.com> <37B86F3E.FA694994@abacus.bates.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0045_01BEE812.FF2AC140" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 ------=_NextPart_000_0045_01BEE812.FF2AC140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well I sure am glad to find out the industry consensus is that the = Certification is useless after all the time and effort I have devoted to = passing the first 3 Exams. When I first inquired about this back in = February no-one in this newsgroup seemed to have any negative comments, = unfortunately I have been in Bosnia since then and have not been able to = keep up. Well at least I have, or will have, a piece of paper saying I = am Certified. It seems to me that this would be a good start towards = finding employment at the entry level any way. Between my certification = and my use of Oracle 7 Server for WinNT on my personal computer I hope = someone gives me a chance to prove my worth. Hopefully the MS newsgroup = will be more forth coming with regards to the worth of the MSDBA = certification. D Parent Paul Apollo wrote in message = news:37B86F3E.FA694994@abacus.bates.edu... This is precisely the reason I asked if the exams and certification = were both worth pursuing. The consensus is that unless you're an HR = type looking to hire Oracle people, the certification is pretty much = useless. I received many notes off-group relating the same sentiment. = Thanks for the warning.=20 Martin wrote:=20 Your lack of experience - yet ability to pass the test , is not a = reflection=20 on the=20 quality of the STSware exams - more a reflection of the low level at = which=20 the=20 certification exams are pitched.=20 I speak as a certified DBA and Developer with over 13years = experience of=20 Oracle=20 in real life! I make no slight on your personal ability - only on = the=20 farcical nature of=20 the Oracle Certifications - if they are to be taken seriously in the = industry, they need=20 to be seriously re-visited by those responsible for creating them.=20 Hope your listening ORACLE.=20 --=20 Regards=20 Martin Jones=20 --------------------------------------------=20 OCP - DBA=20 OCP - Application Developer=20 ---------------------------------------------=20 Doug Parent wrote in message=20 news:7osjjk$dla$1@garnet.nbnet.nb.ca...=20 > I passed the first 2 exams in the Oracle DBA tract using the = Oracle=20 > Certification Guide and the STSWare Practice questions. Before = February of=20 > this year I had never even heard of Oracle and had, and still = don't have,=20 > any practical experience using it, I think this speaks volumes for = the=20 > STSWare practice questions they are worth every penny.=20 > Van Messner wrote in message=20 > news:xLpr3.3292$RD5.90579@typ11...=20 > > I have used the NETG/Oracle CDs. The sample questions on the = disks are=20 > very=20 > > like the questions on the tests. There are four CDs - one for = each of=20 the=20 > > exams. I have an Oracle 7 set for sale at $1100. A new set = from Oracle=20 > > runs around $2500.=20 > >=20 > > Van=20 > >=20 > > Sunny wrote in message=20 > > news:U03r3.18296$B5.163467@news1.rdc1.bc.home.com...=20 > > > Is there anyone who has used the Self Test Software for = practice exams=20 > for=20 > > > OCP.=20 > > > Which one have you used the DBA or Developer practice exams?=20 > > > What was your experience with them=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 >=20 > =20 --=20 Paul Apollo=20 Bates College Information Services=20 207-786-6430=20 papollo@abacus.bates.edu=20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0045_01BEE812.FF2AC140 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well I sure am glad to find out the = industry=20 consensus is that the Certification is useless after all the time and = effort I=20 have devoted to passing the first 3 Exams. When I first inquired = about this=20 back in February no-one in this newsgroup seemed to have any negative = comments,=20 unfortunately I have been in Bosnia since then and have not been able to = keep=20 up. Well at least I have, or will have, a piece of paper saying I am = Certified.=20 It seems to me that this would be a good start towards finding = employment at the=20 entry level any way. Between my certification and my use of Oracle 7 = Server for=20 WinNT on my personal computer I hope someone gives me a chance to prove = my=20 worth.  Hopefully the MS newsgroup will be more forth coming with = regards=20 to the worth of the MSDBA certification.
D Parent
 
Paul Apollo <papollo@abacus.bates.edu>= wrote=20 in message news:37B86F3E.FA694994@a= bacus.bates.edu...
This=20 is precisely the reason I asked if the exams and certification were = both worth=20 pursuing.  The consensus is that unless you're an HR type looking = to hire=20 Oracle people, the certification is pretty much useless.  I = received many=20 notes off-group relating the same sentiment.  Thanks for the = warning.=20

Martin wrote:=20

Your lack of experience - yet ability to = pass the=20 test , is not a reflection
on the
quality of the STSware = exams -=20 more a reflection of the low level at which
the =
certification exams=20 are pitched.=20

I speak as a certified DBA and Developer with over 13years = experience of=20
Oracle
in real life!  I make no slight on your personal = ability=20 - only on the
farcical nature of
the Oracle Certifications - = if they=20 are to be taken seriously in the
industry, they need
to be = seriously=20 re-visited by those responsible for creating them.=20

Hope your listening ORACLE.=20

--
Regards
Martin Jones=20
--------------------------------------------
OCP - DBA =
OCP -=20 Application Developer =
---------------------------------------------=20
Doug Parent <dgparent@nb.sympatico.ca> wrote in message =
news:7osjjk$dla$1@garnet.nb= net.nb.ca...=20
> I passed the first 2 exams in the Oracle DBA tract using = the Oracle=20
> Certification Guide and the STSWare Practice questions. = Before=20 February of
> this year I had never even heard of Oracle and = had, and=20 still don't have,
> any practical experience using it, I = think this=20 speaks volumes for the
> STSWare practice questions they are = worth=20 every penny.
> Van Messner <vmessner@netaxis.com> wrote = in=20 message
> news:xLpr3.3292$RD5.90579@typ11<= /A>...=20
> > I have used the NETG/Oracle CDs.  The sample = questions on=20 the disks are
> very
> > like the questions on the=20 tests.  There are four CDs - one for each of
the
> = >=20 exams.  I have an Oracle 7 set for sale at $1100.  A new = set from=20 Oracle
> > runs around $2500.
> >
> > = Van=20
> >
> > Sunny <sunnyj@home.com> wrote in = message=20
> > news:U03r3.182= 96$B5.163467@news1.rdc1.bc.home.com...=20
> > > Is there anyone who has used the Self Test = Software for=20 practice exams
> for
> > > OCP.
> > = > Which=20 one have you used the DBA or Developer practice exams?
> > = >=20 What was your experience with them
> > >
> > = >=20
> >
> >
>
>

  =

--
Paul Apollo
Bates College Information Services =
207-786-6430=20
papollo@abacus.bates.edu
  =

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