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From: Thomas Roach <troach@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: New policy on Oracle Certifications
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 08:29:14 -0400
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I will play devil's advocate. I'm only certified on 9i but I touch 11gR2 the=
se days. So does it make sense for me to be certified that I should upgrade t=
o a supported release?=20

I probably won't decertify but then again this just might be the catalyst to=
 make me do so if there ever was. Yeah, and it costs money too.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 10, 2014, at 8:08 AM, Ric Van Dyke <ric.van.dyke@hotsos.com> wrote:=

>=20
> That is the reason it makes sense.  The whole reason these =E2=80=9Ccertif=
ication programs=E2=80=9D exist is to make money for the respective companie=
s.  Most of these certifications just mean some one was able to pass a test o=
n a given day.  It hardly guarantees any sort of proficiency in the said top=
ic.  I=E2=80=99ve interviewed folks with DBA certification that couldn=E2=80=
=99t coherently tell me what the difference was between MOUNT and NOMOUNT.  =
 =20
> =20
> Certifications look cool on a resume (CV) but work experience is a much be=
tter guide on some ones ability to perform a job.
> =20
> From: oracle-l-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:oracle-l-bounce@freelists.org]=
 On Behalf Of De DBA
> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 8:21 PM
> To: curtisbl@gmail.com
> Cc: fuzzy.graybeard@gmail.com; Oracle-L Freelists
> Subject: Re: New policy on Oracle Certifications
> =20
> How does this make sense, except for money making? DBA certification inclu=
des the version on which you're certified. Recertification is not really "re=
" anything, as you are forced to upgrade to a current version. This does not=
 ensure or even refresh expertise on retired systems, it merely ensures a re=
venue stream for Oracle - not unlike the MCSE programs...
>=20
>=20
> On 10/10/14 05:19, Bobby Curtis wrote:
> Makes sense; however, I think this is a money maker for Oracle as well. =20=

> =20
> =20
> Bobby Curtis, MBA
> curtisbl@gmail.com
> http://about.me/dbasolved
>=20
>=20
> <image001.gif>
> =20
> On Oct 9, 2014, at 15:11, Hans Forbrich <fuzzy.graybeard@gmail.com> wrote:=

>=20
>=20
> FYI - from https://blogs.oracle.com/certification/entry/1055_01
>=20
> "The Oracle Certification Program is implementing a recertification requir=
ement for our Oracle Database Administration credentials."
>=20
> Just giving people a heads-up ...
> /Hans
> =20
> =20

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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div>I will play devil's advocate. I'm only=
 certified on 9i but I touch 11gR2 these days. So does it make sense for me t=
o be certified that I should upgrade to a supported release?&nbsp;</div><div=
><br></div><div>I probably won't decertify but then again this just might be=
 the catalyst to make me do so if there ever was. Yeah, and it costs money t=
oo.<br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Oct 10, 2014, at 8:08 AM, Ri=
c Van Dyke &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ric.van.dyke@hotsos.com">ric.van.dyke@hotso=
s.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><meta http-=
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oNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&qu=
ot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">That is the reason it makes sense.&nbsp; T=
he whole reason these =E2=80=9Ccertification programs=E2=80=9D exist is to m=
ake money for the respective companies.&nbsp; Most of these certifications j=
ust mean some one was able to pass a test on a given day.&nbsp; It hardly gu=
arantees any sort of proficiency in the said topic.&nbsp; I=E2=80=99ve inter=
viewed folks with DBA certification that couldn=E2=80=99t coherently tell me=
 what the difference was between MOUNT and NOMOUNT.&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font=
-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Certificat=
ions look cool on a resume (CV) but work experience is a much better guide o=
n some ones ability to perform a job. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot=
;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div style=
=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p=
 class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ta=
homa&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;;color:windowtext"> <a href=3D"mailto:oracle-l-bounce@freelists.org">oracle=
-l-bounce@freelists.org</a> [<a href=3D"mailto:oracle-l-bounce@freelists.org=
">mailto:oracle-l-bounce@freelists.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>De DBA<br><b=
>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 09, 2014 8:21 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailt=
o:curtisbl@gmail.com">curtisbl@gmail.com</a><br><b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto=
:fuzzy.graybeard@gmail.com">fuzzy.graybeard@gmail.com</a>; Oracle-L Freelist=
s<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: New policy on Oracle Certifications<o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">How does this make sense, except for=
 money making? DBA certification includes the version on which you're certif=
ied. Recertification is not really "re" anything, as you are forced to upgra=
de to a current version. This does not ensure or even refresh expertise on r=
etired systems, it merely ensures a revenue stream for Oracle - not unlike t=
he MCSE programs...<br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On 10/=
10/14 05:19, Bobby Curtis wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style=3D"ma=
rgin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Makes sense; howe=
ver, I think this is a money maker for Oracle as well. &nbsp; <o:p></o:p></p=
><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font=
-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Bobby=
 Curtis, MBA<br><a href=3D"mailto:curtisbl@gmail.com">curtisbl@gmail.com</a>=
<br><a href=3D"http://about.me/dbasolved">http://about.me/dbasolved</a><br><=
br><br>&lt;image001.gif&gt;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal=
"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Oct 9, 2014, at 1=
5:11, Hans Forbrich &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fuzzy.graybeard@gmail.com">fuzzy.g=
raybeard@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size=
:10.0pt">FYI - from <a href=3D"https://blogs.oracle.com/certification/entry/=
1055_01">https://blogs.oracle.com/certification/entry/1055_01</a><br><br>"Th=
e Oracle Certification Program is implementing a recertification requirement=
 for our Oracle Database Administration credentials."<br><br>Just giving peo=
ple a heads-up ...<br>/Hans</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div></blockquote><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>=
&nbsp;</o:p></p></div></div></blockquote></body></html>=

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