Return-Path: X-Original-To: oracle-l@orafaq.com Delivered-To: oracle-l@orafaq.com Received: from puck1183.startdedicated.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by puck1183.startdedicated.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B7201960139 for ; Mon, 5 May 2014 14:56:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (freelists-180.iquest.net [206.53.239.180]) by puck1183.startdedicated.com (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 5 May 2014 14:56:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8D0322A689; Mon, 5 May 2014 08:56:57 -0400 (EDT) Authentication-Results: turing.freelists.org; dkim=fail (verification failed; insecure key) header.i=@gmail.com; dkim-adsp=none (insecure policy) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at turing.freelists.org Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QVkmTdMxCuQI; Mon, 5 May 2014 08:56:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2A0742A5D6; Mon, 5 May 2014 08:56:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list oracle-l); Mon, 05 May 2014 08:55:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DC33F250F3 for ; Mon, 5 May 2014 08:55:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id StwYcYCLJKL2 for ; Mon, 5 May 2014 08:55:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-qc0-f174.google.com (mail-qc0-f174.google.com [209.85.216.174]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A27DD2443C for ; Mon, 5 May 2014 08:55:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-qc0-f174.google.com with SMTP id c9so7724304qcz.33 for ; Mon, 05 May 2014 05:55:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=RNS6hq70pJTSfyB9aJ26va0Y9xBf9s2zSOOt4nyGFT0=; b=GV2iHAQJQ5lGLbnEIeEo57d8QkF4Ozr4PzoCoGR2B/AOGWbO8syb8jFvFXfB59ErXM kkmMa1VqSoldb6oo7FPk78Npgtdh2JGKt3Er3BNKv8AWj/T5Lq6cAvn683VR3vbDdfz/ m55uNxk6mleqhany2iwHAOTCvQKtkt1aFiodLW0PjtfFMAjn+hKR3U0LZDqBDDwqQ3bi z4G8bG+77uun0xA3xHhBmDVX8s0nS23TbvmV24cGa/DlyZt1vLr4HDQMLXezeN/9IGTV PBFLclOMhnpTnzb+PSrVnvXikwTKgi4AzayWs8ptABueKZcH+vtat2EyNeJmEITESwep qESQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.166.9 with SMTP id k9mr45095482qay.25.1399294508336; Mon, 05 May 2014 05:55:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.96.59.40 with HTTP; Mon, 5 May 2014 05:55:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <2bee1da1-9854-48c4-a822-d5487922148e@default> Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 07:55:08 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: oem 12c on hp-ux pa-risc 11.11 From: max scalf To: Maaz Anjum Cc: Tim Hall , Pete Sharman , Oracle-L Freelists Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary=001a11c246dc1b1c7f04f8a6a4de X-archive-position: 54322 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: oracle-l-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: oracle-l-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: oracle.blog3@gmail.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: oracle.blog3@gmail.com List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: oracle-l X-List-ID: oracle-l List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: oracle-l --001a11c246dc1b1c7f04f8a6a4de Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c246dc1b1c7b04f8a6a4dd --001a11c246dc1b1c7b04f8a6a4dd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 @Pete thanks for that info. Are there any plans in the future release of OEM for the funcanality ? As i am sure there are a lot of sites out there running on unsupported version... @Tim/Maaz Thanks for that info on Metric Extentions. I am going to make use of that for now. I guess it would just be nice to have everything under one umbrella. As we make use of the "Performance tab" a lot and other things. On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 5:31 AM, Maaz Anjum wrote: > Max, > > I have had to use two OEM's before for the same reason as yours at a > customer site. > > However, there were still a few unsupported (by em12c) database versions > on certified host platforms where I used Metric Extensionsfrom a host perspective to monitor their status and tablespace usage. You > "could" modify the script in my post that checks the instance status via a > tnsnames alias instead of a local connection. Looking back at the > customer's configuration, I ended up installing the 12c agent on the 11.11 > platform and deployed the aforementioned Metric Extension. Though, I don't > think this is supported. > > Likewise, you could set up a "ping" and "df" Metric Extension to the 11.11 > host from, let's say, the EM host target. > > I think Tim is correct, and that I have heard the same from someone else > as well. Sadly, I do not have any documentation for it :( > > Cheers, > Maaz > > > On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 3:53 AM, Tim Hall wrote: > >> I just read that back and what I was saying was unclear. >> >> So we had a 12c agent on box A monitoring an instance on box B... >> >> As I said, long time ago and I didn't write down what I did, so it >> officially does not exist. :) >> >> Cheers >> >> Tim... >> >> >> On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 8:42 AM, Tim Hall wrote: >> >>> Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it possible for an agent to monitor >>> some aspects of a remote system? I'm sure we did this under 12c once for an >>> old system that had not been upgraded yet. It was a while ago and they >>> system has been upgraded now, so I don't have anything to refer back to, so >>> my memory could be failing me... :) >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Tim... >>> >>> >>> On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 8:12 AM, Peter Sharman wrote: >>> >>>> No it will not work. Pre-12c agents cannot communicate with a 12c >>>> OMS. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Pete >>>> >>>> [image: Oracle logo] >>>> >>>> Pete Sharman >>>> Principal Product Manager >>>> Enterprise Manager Product Suite >>>> 33 Benson Crescent CALWELL ACT 2905 AUSTRALIA >>>> >>>> Phone: +61262924095 | | Fax: +61262925183 | | Mobile: *+61414443449 >>>> <%2B61414443449>* >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> "Controlling developers is like herding cats." >>>> >>>> Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "Oh no, it's not, it's much harder than that!" >>>> >>>> Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* max scalf [mailto:oracle.blog3@gmail.com] >>>> *Sent:* Sunday, May 4, 2014 6:17 AM >>>> *To:* oracle-l@freelists.org >>>> *Subject:* oem 12c on hp-ux pa-risc 11.11 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hello List, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I have a question and maybe some of you guys are already doing this(or >>>> not). We have some old HP-UX PA Risc(11.11) and i want them monitored with >>>> our new OEM 12c(12.1.0.3). Looking at the certification matrix looks like >>>> 11.11 is not supported with the 12c agent. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I have one thing i have done in the past, where i wanted to monitor our >>>> old pa-risc(11.11) box from Grid control version 11.1.0.7. I was unable to >>>> deploy 11g agent as well(due to support issue, pa-risc 11g agent only >>>> supported pa-risc 11.23 and 11.31). So as a worked around I deployed >>>> 10.2.0.5 agent on that old pa-risc 11.11 box and got it connected to 11g >>>> grid control. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Most of these old box run DB version 10.2.0.4 or 10.2.0.5. I am not >>>> sure if i can still do this with OEM 12c? where i can either re-deploy(or >>>> point them to 12c OEM) 10.2.0.5 agent on these old 11.11 box. Obviously i >>>> am sure you guys are probably asking why are you asking here, why not just >>>> try it and find out yourself as you have already done this before. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> That's were i am stuck. Our team/Management do not want me to do that >>>> and they are okay with using 2 different OEM(11g grid of all these old box >>>> and 12c for newer version). I think if we can make this work, then we do >>>> not have to deal with 2 different OEM versions and everything will be under >>>> one umbrella. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I just wanted to post this out here and see what people have to say, so >>>> at the least i can point our team/management to right direction. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Is anyone monitoring there old hp-ux pa-risc 11.11 box with OEM 12c, if >>>> so what are you doing? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Any pointers would be appreciated. >>>> >>> >>> >> > > > -- > A life yet to be lived... > --001a11c246dc1b1c7b04f8a6a4dd Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
@Pete

thanks for that info. =C2=A0Are t= here any plans in the future release of OEM for the funcanality ? =C2=A0As = i am sure there are a lot of sites out there running on unsupported version= ...

@Tim/Maaz

Thanks for that info= on Metric Extentions. =C2=A0I am going to make use of that for now. =C2=A0= I guess it would just be nice to have everything under one umbrella. =C2=A0= As we make use of the "Performance tab" a lot and other things. = =C2=A0


On Mon,= May 5, 2014 at 5:31 AM, Maaz Anjum <maazanjum@gmail.com> = wrote:
Max,

I h= ave had to use two OEM's before for the same reason as yours at a custo= mer site.=C2=A0

However, there were still a few unsupported (by em12c) = database versions on certified host platforms where I used Metric Extensions from = a host perspective to monitor their status and tablespace usage. You "= could" modify the script in my post that checks the instance status vi= a a tnsnames alias instead of a local connection. Looking back at the custo= mer's configuration, I ended up installing the 12c agent on the 11.11 p= latform and deployed the aforementioned Metric Extension. Though, I don'= ;t think this is supported.

Likewise, you could set up a "ping" and "= ;df" Metric Extension to the 11.11 host from, let's say, the EM ho= st target.

I think Tim is correct, and that I have= heard the same from someone else as well. Sadly, I do not have any documen= tation for it :(

Cheers,
Maaz


On Mon, May= 5, 2014 at 3:53 AM, Tim Hall <tim@oracle-base.com> wrote:=
I just read that back and w= hat I was saying was unclear.

So we had a 12c agent on b= ox A monitoring an instance on box B...

As I said, long time ago and I didn't write down wh= at I did, so it officially does not exist. :)

Cheers

Tim...


On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 8:42 AM, Tim Hall <tim@oracle-base.com> wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong= , but isn't it possible for an agent to monitor some aspects of a remot= e system? I'm sure we did this under 12c once for an old system that ha= d not been upgraded yet. It was a while ago and they system has been upgrad= ed now, so I don't have anything to refer back to, so my memory could b= e failing me... :)

Cheers

Tim...

=
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 8:12 AM, Peter Sharma= n <pete.sharman@oracle.com> wrote:

No it wi= ll not work.=C2=A0 Pre-12c agents cannot communicate with a 12c OMS.=C2=A0 =

=C2=A0

Pete

3D"Oracle

Pete Sharma= n
Principal Product Manager
Enterprise Manager Product Suite
33 Be= nson Crescent CALWELL ACT 2905 AUSTRALIA

Phone: +612= 62924095 | | Fax: +61262925183 | | Mobile: +61414= 443449=C2=A0=

"Contr= olling developers is like herding cats."

Kevin Loney= , Oracle DBA Handbook

=C2=A0

"Oh no= , it's not, it's much harder than that!"<= /p>

Bruce Pihla= mae, long term Oracle DBA

= =C2=A0

From: max sc= alf [mailto:ora= cle.blog3@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, May 4, 2014 6:17 AM
To: oracle-l@freelists.org
Su= bject: oem 12c on hp-ux pa-risc 11.11

=C2=A0

Hello List,

=C2=A0

I have a question and maybe some of you guys are already d= oing this(or not). =C2=A0We have some old HP-UX PA Risc(11.11) and i want t= hem monitored with our new OEM 12c(12.1.0.3). =C2=A0Looking at the certific= ation matrix looks like 11.11 is not supported with the 12c agent. =C2=A0

=C2=A0

I have one thing i have done in the past, where i wanted t= o monitor our old pa-risc(11.11) box from Grid control version 11.1.0.7. = =C2=A0I was unable to deploy 11g agent as well(due to support issue, pa-ris= c 11g agent only supported =C2=A0pa-risc 11.23 and 11.31). =C2=A0So as a wo= rked around I deployed 10.2.0.5 agent on that old pa-risc 11.11 box and got= it connected to 11g grid control. =C2=A0

=C2=A0

Most of these old box run DB version 10.2.0.4 or 10.2.0.5.= =C2=A0I am not sure if i can still do this with OEM 12c? =C2=A0where i can= either re-deploy(or point them to 12c OEM) 10.2.0.5 agent on these old 11.= 11 box. =C2=A0Obviously i am sure you guys are probably asking why are you = asking here, why not just try it and find out yourself as you have already = done this before.

=C2=A0

That's were i am stuck. =C2=A0Our team/Management do n= ot want me to do that and they are okay with using 2 different OEM(11g grid= of all these old box and 12c for newer version). =C2=A0I think if we can m= ake this work, then we do not have to deal with 2 different OEM versions an= d everything will be under one umbrella. =C2=A0 =C2=A0

=C2=A0

I just wanted to post this out here and see what people ha= ve to say, so at the least i can point our team/management to right directi= on. =C2=A0

=C2=A0

Is anyone monitoring there old hp-ux pa-risc 11.11 box wit= h OEM 12c, if so what are you doing?

=C2=A0

Any pointers woul= d be appreciated. =C2=A0






<= /div>--
A life yet to be= lived...
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