Received: (qmail 369 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2011 09:59:12 -0600 Received: from freelists-180.iquest.net (HELO turing.freelists.org) (206.53.239.180) by static-ip-85-25-126-90.inaddr.intergenia.de with SMTP; 3 Mar 2011 09:59:04 -0600 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0F207DAAD39; Thu, 3 Mar 2011 10:58:47 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1299167927; bh=ILXs1ExQ3+I+/O0TmDpYP6NztukvUq8weWI0fAQ+ UzY=; h=From:To:CC:Date:Subject:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: Content-Type:MIME-Version:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=djgJaHHnjRmkcOQPnwDDZ54iHPdN28avcKvUepu4pv74k2lP2M +awNZvVIpctHsKco923daQPA2dKF5slbnJdGkaHpg8rAZZ97ZMLGLhKHULHUWHJ5D1V 4rl/OkknGeersLE0F0jioMsyyDSvZWqag1Jgzfpu5lKafLs20tz9XQ= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QBgGIQVHuSfT; Thu, 3 Mar 2011 10:58:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 03C09DAAA3B; Thu, 3 Mar 2011 10:58:02 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list oracle-l); Thu, 03 Mar 2011 10:57:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CEB48DAA9D2 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2011 10:57:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 52+LK8t+UfQG for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2011 10:57:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from admnaexht2.adm.com (admnaexht2.adm.com [12.43.88.71]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4CA2BDAA92A for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2011 10:57:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from jrcexfes1.research.na.admworld.com (172.17.12.8) by admnaexht2.na.admworld.com (10.2.6.71) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.2.255.0; Thu, 3 Mar 2011 09:57:19 -0600 Received: from JRCEXC1V1.research.na.admworld.com ([172.17.12.11]) by jrcexfes1.research.na.admworld.com ([172.17.12.8]) with mapi; Thu, 3 Mar 2011 09:57:19 -0600 From: "Stephens, Chris" To: "cicciuxdba@gmail.com" , "mcdonald.connor@gmail.com" CC: Oracle-L Freelists Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 09:57:18 -0600 Subject: RE: Just my opinion - the move of MOS to Flash is still a bunch of crap Thread-Topic: Just my opinion - the move of MOS to Flash is still a bunch of crap Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_D95BD5AFADBB0F4E9BB6C53F14D3A0500503E297D0JRCEXC1V1rese_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-archive-position: 34810 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: oracle-l-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: oracle-l-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Chris.Stephens@adm.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: Chris.Stephens@adm.com List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: oracle-l X-List-ID: oracle-l List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: oracle-l --_000_D95BD5AFADBB0F4E9BB6C53F14D3A0500503E297D0JRCEXC1V1rese_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think I remember reading somewhere that flash MOS was based off a product= from a company Oracle acquired? That might help explain the decision. From: oracle-l-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:oracle-l-bounce@freelists.org] = On Behalf Of Guillermo Alan Bort Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 7:23 AM To: mcdonald.connor@gmail.com Cc: Oracle-L Freelists Subject: Re: Just my opinion - the move of MOS to Flash is still a bunch of= crap I am a bit of a cynic... I live in Argentina and we have many things that d= on't make sense to the casual observer but that if you do look in a little = deeper you see that someone is abusing that thing that doesn't make sense a= nd making money or gaining power with it. So I started to look at all the t= hings that don't make sense to me from that perspective and everything make= s sense... twisted, but makes sense... It all makes perfect sense expressed in dollars and cents, pounds shillings and pence. [Perfect Sense, Pink Floyd] Now... flash MOS simply does not make sense to me (from an end user point o= f view)... so... who is making money or gaining power with it? Is it a move to try and get people to stop using oracle support (cost reduc= tion)? I used to search metalink as my first source for Oracle issues, now i only = use it when I need to log an SR... Google has far better answers usually...= and sometimes links to Oracle Forums with interesting MOS notes which I ca= n then look up specifically. Also, it would appear that the search engine they are using is Enterprise S= earch... which sucks... they should drop the product line, get one of those= nifty google boxes and have a good search functionality in the search area= of the crappy support portal. Oh, htmlsupport... it works, I usually use it... I still find it too damn s= low... I tried IE, FF, Chrome, Opera and Safari and I have windows XP with = 3G of ram and a core2duo CPU... it shouldn't be slow... but it is... becaus= e it's Oracle... Ohhh, the days were much more happier when 'calling Oracle' resulted in Bat= man talking with Barbara Gordon... cheers Alan.- On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 8:49 AM, Connor McDonald > wrote: Metaflash What......a......joke....... "Whoops, Ctrl-C for copy - we forgot about that" "Whoops, Shift-Click for open in new tab - we forgot about that" I can't believe they dropped dozens of standard web page facilities just so= they could smooth-scroll a region on a screen when you click on it... Upload a file - whoops - "upload completed" seems to be shown when the file= has been compressed - its still 10mins to go before its uploaded. File uploaded too big ? Tough luck - you'll STILL be told it got uploaded,= but when you come back later, its no longer there... Whoever dreamed up Metaflash could not find their own bum with two hands an= d a torch..... -- Connor McDonald =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D email: connor_mcdonald@yahoo.com web: http://www.oracledba.co.uk "Semper in excremento, sole profundum qui variat" CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which i= t is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential= and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this mes= sage is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for= delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified= that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is s= trictly prohibited. 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I think I remember readin= g somewhere that flash MOS was based off a product from a company Oracle ac= quired?  That might help explain the decision.

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From: oracle-l= -bounce@freelists.org [mailto:oracle-l-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Guillermo Alan Bort
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 7:23 AM
To: mcdonald.connor@gmail.com
Cc: Oracle-L Freelists
Subject: Re: Just my opinion - the move of MOS to Flash is still a b= unch of crap

 

I am a bit of a cynic= ... I live in Argentina and we have many things that don't make sense to th= e casual observer but that if you do look in a little deeper you see that s= omeone is abusing that thing that doesn't make sense and making money or gaining power with it. So I started to look= at all the things that don't make sense to me from that perspective and ev= erything makes sense... twisted, but makes sense...

It all makes perfect sense
expressed in dollars and cents,
pounds shillings and pence.
[Perfect Sense, Pink Floyd]

Now... flash MOS simply does not make sense to me (from an end user point o= f view)... so... who is making money or gaining power with it?

Is it a move to try and get people to stop using oracle support (cost reduc= tion)?

I used to search metalink as my first source for Oracle issues, now i only = use it when I need to log an SR... Google has far better answers usually...= and sometimes links to Oracle Forums with interesting MOS notes which I ca= n then look up specifically.

Also, it would appear that the search engine they are using is Enterprise S= earch... which sucks... they should drop the product line, get one of those= nifty google boxes and have a good search functionality in the search area= of the crappy support portal.

Oh, htmlsupport... it works, I usually use it... I still find it too damn s= low... I tried IE, FF, Chrome, Opera and Safari and I have windows XP with = 3G of ram and a core2duo CPU... it shouldn't be slow... but it is... becaus= e it's Oracle...

Ohhh, the days were much more happier when 'calling Oracle' resulted in Bat= man talking with Barbara Gordon...


cheers
Alan.-

On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 8:49 AM, Connor McDonald <= mcdonald.connor@gmail.com&= gt; wrote:

 

 

Metaflash

 

What......a......joke.......

 

"Whoops, Ctrl-C for copy - we forgot about that= "

"Whoops, Shift-Click for open in new tab - we f= orgot about that"

 

I can't believe they dropped dozens of standard web = page facilities just so they could smooth-scroll a region on a screen when = you click on it...

 

Upload a file - whoops - "upload completed"= ; seems to be shown when the file has been compressed - its still 10mins to= go before its uploaded.

 

File uploaded too big ?  Tough luck - you'll ST= ILL be told it got uploaded, but when you come back later, its no longer th= ere...

 

 

Whoever dreamed up Metaflash could not find their ow= n bum with two hands and a torch.....



--
Connor McDonald
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email: conno= r_mcdonald@yahoo.com
web:   h= ttp://www.oracledba.co.uk

"Semper in excremento, sole profundum qui variat"

 


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