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Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 09:05:55 -0600
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Subject: Re: Just my opinion - the move of MOS to Flash is still a bunch of crap
From: Charles Schultz <sacrophyte@gmail.com>
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I have been sitting on the sidelines and reading this, tempted to respond. I
got to talking to someone at the manager level in Support who has also been
looking at these. What is most helpful is to identify exactly what you want
to change, and maybe even how to change it. Some of those on this thread did
that. Some did not. =)

I myself have had a number of suggestions that I have made known to various
folks in the Support structure. And there are days I feel exactly like you
do, Jared. I am glad you got that off your chest, but I would encourage us
all to be specific about what we want - it makes it much easier for
developers to deliver specifics. Not saying they *will*, but at least they
cannot use the excuse of not knowing.

Hmm... is anyone keeping track of changes that the user community would like
to see? Since Oracle does not seem to believe in things like bugzilla, maybe
a user community owned list of enhancements (both done and need to be done)
would be appropriate.

On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 08:52, Jared Still <jkstill@gmail.com> wrote:

> My apologies for such an unabashed public rant.
>
> I should clearly stay away from the keyboard at such times.
>
> IAC, it is pretty clear that most folks are STILL avoiding
> flash MOS if at all possible.
>
> Jared Still
> Certifiable Oracle DBA and Part Time Perl Evangelist
> Oracle Blog: http://jkstill.blogspot.com
> Home Page: http://jaredstill.com
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Jared Still <jkstill@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> <vent>
>> I am really sick and tired of this POS costing me time.
>> Waiting to see if it will work...
>> Restarting firefox when flash hangs...
>> It is just ridiculous.
>> I am going to use HTML only.
>> If it doesn't work in HTML, then it isn't necessary.
>> </vent>
>>
>> Hmmm...
>>
>> I don't really feel all that much better.
>>
>> Maybe I will go find an old PC to smash...
>>
>> Jared Still
>> Certifiable Oracle DBA and Part Time Perl Evangelist
>> Oracle Blog: http://jkstill.blogspot.com
>> Home Page: http://jaredstill.com
>>
>
>


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Charles Schultz

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I have been sitting on the sidelines and reading this, tempted to respond. =
I got to talking to someone at the manager level in Support who has also be=
en looking at these. What is most helpful is to identify exactly what you w=
ant to change, and maybe even how to change it. Some of those on this threa=
d did that. Some did not. =3D)<div>
<br></div><div>I myself have had a number of suggestions that I have made k=
nown to various folks in the Support structure. And there are days I feel e=
xactly like you do, Jared. I am glad you got that off your chest, but I wou=
ld encourage us all to be specific about what we want - it makes it much ea=
sier for developers to deliver specifics. Not saying they <i><b>will</b></i=
>, but at least they cannot use the excuse of not knowing.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Hmm... is anyone keeping track of changes that the user=
 community would like to see? Since Oracle does not seem to believe in thin=
gs like bugzilla, maybe a user community owned list of enhancements (both d=
one and need to be done) would be appropriate.<br>
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 08:52, Jared Still <s=
pan dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jkstill@gmail.com">jkstill@gmail.com<=
/a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:=
0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
My apologies for such an unabashed public rant.<div><br></div><div>I should=
 clearly stay away from the keyboard at such times.</div><div><br></div><di=
v>IAC, it is pretty clear that most folks are STILL avoiding</div><div>
flash MOS if at all possible.</div>

<div><div class=3D"im"><br clear=3D"all">Jared Still<br>Certifiable Oracle =
DBA and Part Time Perl Evangelist<br>Oracle Blog: <a href=3D"http://jkstill=
.blogspot.com" target=3D"_blank">http://jkstill.blogspot.com</a><br>Home Pa=
ge: <a href=3D"http://jaredstill.com" target=3D"_blank">http://jaredstill.c=
om</a><br>


<br><br></div><div><div></div><div class=3D"h5"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=
On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Jared Still <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:jkstill@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jkstill@gmail.com</a>&gt;</=
span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

<div>&lt;vent&gt;</div><div>I am really sick and tired of this POS costing =
me time.</div><div>Waiting to see if it will work...</div><div>Restarting f=
irefox when flash hangs...</div><div>It is just ridiculous.</div><div>

I am going to use HTML only.</div>

<div>If it doesn&#39;t work in HTML, then it isn&#39;t necessary.</div><div=
>&lt;/vent&gt;</div><div><br></div><div>Hmmm...</div><div><br></div><div>I =
don&#39;t really feel all that much better.</div><div><br></div><div>Maybe =
I will go find an old PC to smash...</div>


<br clear=3D"all"><font color=3D"#888888">Jared Still<br>Certifiable Oracle=
 DBA and Part Time Perl Evangelist<br>Oracle Blog: <a href=3D"http://jkstil=
l.blogspot.com" target=3D"_blank">http://jkstill.blogspot.com</a><br>Home P=
age: <a href=3D"http://jaredstill.com" target=3D"_blank">http://jaredstill.=
com</a><br>


</font></blockquote></div><br></div></div></div>
</blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>Charles Schultz<br>
</div>

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