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Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 07:04:43 +0200
From: "Stefan Knecht" <knecht.stefan@gmail.com>
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You need to recover to be able to open the database with resetlogs.

Stefan

On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 5:14 AM, Paul Drake <bdbafh@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Sun, Jul 6, 2008 at 7:57 PM, John Smith <john40855@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I am studying for the OCP, and one of the practice test questions is how
>> to recover from a lost active online redo log in noarchivelog mode.  the
>> answer they give is to restore a consistent backup, startup in mount mode,
>> perform a cancel based recovery, and open with resetlogs.
>>
>> Is that answer correct?  I didnt think you could do a recovery if you
>> arent in archivelog mode.
>>
>
>
> Hmm.
> If the backup were consistent (a cold backup of a database in noarchivelog
> mode, or an rman backup while the database is in a mount state) then no
> recovery would be required.
> One could force recovery, telling it that the controlfile was a backup
> controlfile (even if it was not).
> But if no archived redo logs (or online redo logs) are being applied, then
> what is the point of performing a cancel-based recovery?
>
> Paul
>
>


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You need to recover to be able to open the database with resetlogs.<br><br>Stefan<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 5:14 AM, Paul Drake &lt;<a href="mailto:bdbafh@gmail.com">bdbafh@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="Ih2E3d"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jul 6, 2008 at 7:57 PM, John Smith &lt;<a href="mailto:john40855@gmail.com" target="_blank">john40855@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
I am studying for the OCP, and one of the practice test questions is how to recover from a lost active online redo log in noarchivelog mode.&nbsp; the answer they give is to restore a consistent backup, startup in mount mode, perform a cancel based recovery, and open with resetlogs.<br>


<br>Is that answer correct?&nbsp; I didnt think you could do a recovery if you arent in archivelog mode.<br>
</blockquote></div><br><br></div>Hmm.<br>If the backup were consistent (a cold backup of a database in noarchivelog mode, or an rman backup while the database is in a mount state) then no recovery would be required.<br>One could force recovery, telling it that the controlfile was a backup controlfile (even if it was not).<br>

But if no archived redo logs (or online redo logs) are being applied, then what is the point of performing a cancel-based recovery?<br><font color="#888888"><br>Paul<br><br>
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