From oracle-l-bounce@freelists.org Fri Nov 11 19:56:43 2005 Return-Path: Received: from air891.startdedicated.com (root@localhost) by orafaq.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jAC1uhNM006975 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 19:56:43 -0600 X-ClientAddr: 206.53.239.180 Received: from turing.freelists.org (freelists-180.iquest.net [206.53.239.180]) by air891.startdedicated.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jAC1uQvX006957 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 19:56:32 -0600 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CFA00225C6E; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 20:56:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18959-05; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 20:56:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 55CA5225AF4; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 20:56:17 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list oracle-l); Fri, 11 Nov 2005 20:54:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EF4F6225AA9 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 20:54:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18590-05 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 20:54:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from pd3mo3so.prod.shaw.ca (shawidc-mo1.cg.shawcable.net [24.71.223.10]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 95ADB225A60 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 20:54:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from pd2mr1so.prod.shaw.ca (pd2mr1so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.110]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IPT00367JYMWD40@l-daemon> for oracle-l@freelists.org; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 18:54:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from pn2ml9so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.7]) by pd2mr1so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IPT005S1JYMFZF0@pd2mr1so.prod.shaw.ca> for oracle-l@freelists.org; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 18:54:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (S010600055d22bc7d.cg.shawcable.net [68.147.235.63]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IPT00737JYKKQ@l-daemon> for oracle-l@freelists.org; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 18:54:22 -0700 (MST) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 18:54:25 -0700 From: Mark Brinsmead Subject: Re: "Oracle Streams" by Madhu Tumma In-reply-to: <20051112090032476.00000003384@psharman-au> To: peter.sharman@oracle.com Cc: "gorbyx@gmail.com" , Oracle-L Freelists Message-id: <43754B51.4000908@shaw.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=------------020903030206060005020407 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <20051112090032476.00000003384@psharman-au> User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-archive-position: 28295 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: oracle-l-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: oracle-l-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: mark.brinsmead@shaw.ca Precedence: normal Reply-To: mark.brinsmead@shaw.ca X-list: oracle-l X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-mailscan-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-mailscan-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: oracle-l-bounce@freelists.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on air891.startdedicated.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, FAKE_HELO_SHAW_CA,HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 --------------020903030206060005020407 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit [apologies to those who may have seen this twice; I guess I too need to get used to pressing the "Reply-All" button...] Yeah, well... You know the old saying "You can't judge a book by its cover"... On the other hand, judging a book by its author, or its publisher, or even its reviewer, is a whole different kettle of fish, isn't it? That said (and preposterous-sounding reviewer comments aside) the book in question *could* provide readers (like me) who know little about Streams with a comparatively painless introduction to the subject. Just based on the reviewers comments though, (and recognising that the reviewer was also an editor) I'd be darned sure to read the thing with a "grain of salt" and head straight off to the reference material once I finished the book... As for the comments about RAC vs. Streams, well, I *do* know some quite well-regarded people who consider DataGuard to be a substitute for RAC. Although I personally disagree with that view, I *do* respect it. So, if such a view is valid (or at least "respectable") for DataGuard, then /maybe/ its not out of the question to extend it to Streams... [Why on Earth am I defending this?!?!!] Perhaps I *should* read this book. But I still not going to /buy/ it. Maybe I'll be able to find it in a public library some day. Or a "clearance" bin. ;-) Cheers, -- Mark. Pete Sharman wrote: > Dunno about the book, but you're right to question the comment on > Streams vs. RAC. Streams is not a replacement for RAC and never will > be. The two technologies solve totally different problems. > > > > > > Pete > > > > "Controlling developers is like herding cats." > > Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook > > > > "Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that!" > > Bruce Pihlamae, long-term Oracle DBA > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* oracle-l-bounce@freelists.org > [mailto:oracle-l-bounce@freelists.org] *On Behalf Of *Alex Gorbachev > *Sent:* Saturday, 12 November 2005 8:42 AM > *To:* Oracle-L Freelists > *Subject:* "Oracle Streams" by Madhu Tumma > > > > Hi all, > > Is this one good? > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0974599352/103-0891699-0877465?v=glance&n=283155&n=507846&s=books&v=glance > > > I can see the review from Mr. Burleson who was apparently an editor as > well (well, expected for Rampant Press). > > The comment seem a bit odd to me: > > As the editor for this book I was able to read the in-depth > utility of Oracle Streams and see how it is going to be a > super-hot technology. Oracle Streams is a great replacement for > the older standby-database technology and it's is also a great > alternative to Oracle RAC clusters. > > Best of all, Oracle Streams is a great way to set-up a disaster > recovery server, and also use the server for traffic. Tumma did an > exceptional job on this book and I highly recommend it for anyone > considering failover or disaster recovery solutions. > > Madhu's text goes far-beyond the nuts-and-bolts and he shares > real-world secrets and techniques for using Oracle Streams in a > mission-critical environment. If you need to understand high-speed > Oracle replication, this is a must-have book. > > > I am really surpised to consider Oracle Streams anywhere close to > replacement of RAC. I am also quite skeptical to that it's an > appropriate solution for DR... well, maybe... maybe... > > Anyway, I promised that two books from this Sir are the last ones that > I have on my bookshelf (one of them was only edited by him though). > > > No surprise on this one: > > 0 of 3 people found the following review helpful > > > > Is there an alternative reading (besides manuals) on Oracle Streams? I > would buy this one but after few recent notes/blogs from some > prominent authors I am kind of reassured that it might be just loosing > my time. Or maybe this one is good to have? > > > -- > Best regards, > Alex Gorbachev > > > -- http://www.freelists.org/webpage/oracle-l --------------020903030206060005020407 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit [apologies to those who may have seen this twice; I guess I too need to get used to pressing the "Reply-All" button...]

Yeah, well...  You know the old saying "You can't judge a book by its cover"...

On the other hand, judging a book by its author, or its publisher, or even its reviewer, is a whole different kettle of fish, isn't it?

That said (and preposterous-sounding reviewer comments aside) the book in question could provide readers (like me) who know little about Streams with a comparatively painless introduction to the subject.  Just based on the reviewers comments though, (and recognising that the reviewer was also an editor) I'd be darned sure to read the thing with a "grain of salt" and head straight off to the reference material once I finished the book...

As for the comments about RAC vs. Streams, well, I do know some quite well-regarded people who consider DataGuard to be a substitute for RAC.  Although I personally disagree with that view, I do respect it.  So, if such a view is valid (or at least "respectable") for DataGuard, then maybe its not out of the question to extend it to Streams...   [Why on Earth am I defending this?!?!!]

Perhaps I *should* read this book.  But I still not going to buy it.  Maybe I'll be able to find it in a public library some day.  Or a "clearance" bin.  ;-)

Cheers,
-- Mark.


Pete Sharman wrote:

Dunno about the book, but you’re right to question the comment on Streams vs. RAC.  Streams is not a replacement for RAC and never will be.  The two technologies solve totally different problems.

 

 

Pete

 

"Controlling developers is like herding cats."

Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook

 

"Oh no, it's not.  It's much harder than that!"

Bruce Pihlamae, long-term Oracle DBA

From: oracle-l-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:oracle-l-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Alex Gorbachev
Sent: Saturday, 12 November 2005 8:42 AM
To: Oracle-L Freelists
Subject: "Oracle Streams" by Madhu Tumma

 

Hi all,

Is this one good?
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0974599352/103-0891699-0877465?v=glance&n=283155&n=507846&s=books&v=glance

I can see the review from Mr. Burleson who was apparently an editor as well (well, expected for Rampant Press).

The comment seem a bit odd to me:

As the editor for this book I was able to read the in-depth utility of Oracle Streams and see how it is going to be a super-hot technology. Oracle Streams is a great replacement for the older standby-database technology and it's is also a great alternative to Oracle RAC clusters.

Best of all, Oracle Streams is a great way to set-up a disaster recovery server, and also use the server for traffic. Tumma did an exceptional job on this book and I highly recommend it for anyone considering failover or disaster recovery solutions.

Madhu's text goes far-beyond the nuts-and-bolts and he shares real-world secrets and techniques for using Oracle Streams in a mission-critical environment. If you need to understand high-speed Oracle replication, this is a must-have book.


I am really surpised to consider Oracle Streams anywhere close to replacement of RAC. I am also quite skeptical to that it's an appropriate solution for DR... well, maybe... maybe...

Anyway, I promised that two books from this Sir are the last ones that I have on my bookshelf (one of them was only edited by him though).
 

No surprise on this one:

0 of 3 people found the following review helpful

 

Is there an alternative reading (besides manuals) on Oracle Streams? I would buy this one but after few recent notes/blogs from some prominent authors I am kind of reassured that it might be just loosing my time. Or maybe this one is good to have?


--
Best regards,
Alex Gorbachev
 

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