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From: Gogala, Mladen <>
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 15:39:15 -0400
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Let's name things correctly and call them for what they are. I believe that this should be an elite club where

more or less seasoned oracle professionals meet. There are other lists which are intended for beginners.

Dan Morgan, Sybrand Bakker and Jim Kennedy did a terrific job on People

there are now aware of what will happen if they post a stupid question, without putting in even a minimal effort

to solve the questions themselves. I am trying to achieve the same awareness here and am therefore willing

to accept the role of Sybrand of this group. At the moment, I am deleting 60 messages a day which are more

or less entirely dedicated to idiotic discussions like "which Linux is the best". So far, this list is useless to me

as it is. Unless you come up with some posting guidelines I'll use my wit and bad manners to cut down the

number of useless posts that I receive. I don't care if the beginners are otherwise competent brain surgeons

or rocket scientists but it they are asking a question about oracle, then they should put in a minimal amount of

work or prefix their subject with "newbie" so that I can filter the subject out.

Competency is not clearly defined, there are people who thought that a former camel jockey is competent

enough to be a FEMA director and that organizing camel races is the same thing as helping a city hit by

a hurricane. Your and mine opinions about competency might differ slightly.  


Mladen Gogala

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From: Jared Still [] Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 2:56 PM
To: Gogala, Mladen
Cc:; Oracle-L Freelists Subject: Re: dbms_job failed to execute  

Mladen, you're making the assumption that everyone that asks an 'easy' question
is too lazy to do some homework.

Sometimes 'beginners' are simply otherwise competent people that have to deal
with a situation new to them, have consulted the manuals, are still unsure what
to do, and have the good sense to ask more knowledgable people before charging
ahead with incomplete knowledge and creating a bigger mess than they started with.

'Beginners' are sometimes under pressure from their boss to fix a situation. It could
be that their DB is even covered by support, but the local bureaucracy prevents them
from contacting support. There are a number of situations whereby someone has
insufficient time to do all the research to fully understand the problem - they just
gotta fix it.

Whatever the situation, does it really matter? Delete the email, skip it, whatever.

As 'beginners', they also have the right to exercise 'free speech'.


Jared Still
Certifiable Oracle DBA and Part Time Perl Evangelist

On 10/28/05, Gogala, Mladen < <> > wrote:

Some people (I will not mention any names, of course) feel that asking questions without doing even

a minimal investigation is disrespectful to oracle professionals who did invest some work into becoming

oracle professionals. Some people will probably continue to discourage such lazy beginners by using

all means at their disposal. Some people are equally entitled to their opinion as you are to yours.

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Mladen Gogala

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