From oracle-l-bounce@freelists.org Fri Oct 28 11:14:20 2005 Return-Path: Received: from air891.startdedicated.com (root@localhost) by orafaq.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j9SGE4EQ002300 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 11:14:15 -0500 X-ClientAddr: 206.53.239.180 Received: from turing.freelists.org (freelists-180.iquest.net [206.53.239.180]) by air891.startdedicated.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j9SGDivX002205 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 11:13:44 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8E0ED211FE4; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 11:13:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19893-08; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 11:13:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 08500211FC9; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 11:13:35 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list oracle-l); Fri, 28 Oct 2005 11:11:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8EB1B211F58 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 11:11:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19512-02 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 11:11:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail57.messagelabs.com (mail57.messagelabs.com [195.245.230.115]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 04F32211EC2 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 11:11:41 -0500 (EST) X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: GJohnson@gam.com X-Msg-Ref: server-3.tower-57.messagelabs.com!1130515893!91637171!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.4.15; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [193.202.231.225] Received: (qmail 16790 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2005 16:11:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO w2gw-ldn02.gam.com) (193.202.231.225) by server-3.tower-57.messagelabs.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 2005 16:11:33 -0000 Received: from ntas-ldn15.gam.com (unverified) by w2gw-ldn02.gam.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.3.12) with ESMTP id for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 17:11:33 +0100 Received: by ntas-ldn15.gam.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 17:11:33 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Johnson, George" To: oracle-l@freelists.org Subject: Is this Needed? Dragging OT Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 17:11:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-archive-position: 27752 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: oracle-l-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: oracle-l-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: GJohnson@GAM.COM Precedence: normal Reply-To: GJohnson@GAM.COM X-list: oracle-l X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-mailscan-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-mailscan-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: oracle-l-bounce@freelists.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on air891.startdedicated.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.63 Not wishing to drag this way off topic.... In all seriousness is this the general perception of contractors across the globe? That we are a tolerated resource but ideally the world might be a better place without us. As a contractor in the UK, maybe I've been lucky but I haven't run into that many fly-by-night cowboys, obviously one or two that think they know all and shout louder to cover their obvious lack of knowledge. Personally I feel it's a requirement for me, as a contractor, to always document everything, always do the best you can and always listen to what is required, offering my opinion, not what I consider to be a "fact". At the end of the day, if the employer is not happy, I am out on the street at the end of the month looking for new work, if don't pull my weight. Just idle curiosity on a Friday afternoon... -----Original Message----- From: Norman Dunbar [mailto:norman.dunbar@environment-agency.gov.uk] Sent: 27 Oct 2005 7:55 To: cmarquez@collegeboard.org; ryan_gaffuri@comcast.net; oracle-l@freelists.org Cc: dofreeman@state.pa.us Subject: RE: Is this Needed? Morning Chris, >> ..can you say "responsibility" and "consultant" in the same sentence? ;o) I'm a contractor, I take full responsibility for all my actions. How's that ? Cheers, Norman. Norman Dunbar. Contract Oracle DBA. Rivers House, Leeds. Internal : 7 28 2051 External : 0113 231 2051 Information in this message may be confidential and may be legally privileged. If you have received this message by mistake, please notify the sender immediately, delete it and do not copy it to anyone else. We have checked this email and its attachments for viruses. But you should still check any attachment before opening it. We may have to make this message and any reply to it public if asked to under the Freedom of Information Act, Data Protection Act or for litigation. Email messages and attachments sent to or from any Environment Agency address may also be accessed by someone other than the sender or recipient, for business purposes. 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