From oracle-l-bounce@freelists.org Mon Aug 8 11:35:29 2005 Return-Path: Received: from air891.startdedicated.com (root@localhost) by orafaq.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j78GZTb9026115 for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 11:35:29 -0500 X-ClientAddr: 206.53.239.180 Received: from turing.freelists.org (freelists-180.iquest.net [206.53.239.180]) by air891.startdedicated.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j78GZNIP026097 for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 11:35:23 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 313191DD45F; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 11:35:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07425-08; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 11:35:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 56CBA1DD432; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 11:35:20 -0500 (EST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C59C36.E83DD68B" Subject: RE: Why I Will Never Buy This Product Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 12:32:25 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Why I Will Never Buy This Product Thread-Index: AcWcLJmIRfAnkh3ETJ+LuqPoc2tTyQAACAiAAAKCOMU= From: "Marquez, Chris" To: , X-archive-position: 23565 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: oracle-l-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: oracle-l-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cmarquez@collegeboard.org Precedence: normal Reply-To: cmarquez@collegeboard.org X-list: oracle-l X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-mailscan-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-mailscan-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: oracle-l-bounce@freelists.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on air891.startdedicated.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=ham version=2.63 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C59C36.E83DD68B Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable LoL :o) Funny and true. Sadly this means everyone pays different prices. But some form of "one seat" reference would be nice and do-able for them = I agree. Nothing to hide, because all of their competitors know each others = price. For one client, I am kind of in the same boat, but with a hardware = purchase. Dell, clearly and simply lists the price on the web site...even though = they are kings of "a la cart" hardware. HP, EMC, and others force me to "talk" to a re-seller for even a clue as = to the hardware cost!? Low end, basic hardware is a commodity...and this info should be stable = and readily available. Any sales person that we do meet with will not be happy nor want to work = with us for a $2k purchase...they will direct the conversation and = technical information to more expensive products and drill us for other = hardware purchases. Advantage Dell! Why can't the big hardware boys see that Dell is doing them, what M$ did = to Novell & Apple years ago...and what Linux has been doing to UNIX. It is not the Dell has the best hardware...they just make it cheap, = easy, and simple to get. My god this same story plays out over and over = again. Chris Marquez Oracle DBA -----Original Message----- From: oracle-l-bounce@freelists.org on behalf of Post, Ethan Sent: Mon 8/8/2005 11:23 AM To: oracle-l@freelists.org Subject: Why I Will Never Buy This Product =20 http://www.embarcadero.com/downloads/pricerequestform.jsp Haven't we moved pass the "give us your contact details" and we will have a sales person call you to "discuss" pricing our pricing *scheme* ? Why can't I just see what a single seat license is going to cost? I am soooooo tired of this sort of thing and there are just too many other companies that want me money to hassle with this.=20 Somebody from Embarcadero listening? -- http://www.freelists.org/webpage/oracle-l ------_=_NextPart_001_01C59C36.E83DD68B Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Why I Will Never Buy This Product

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Funny and true.

Sadly this means everyone pays different prices.
But some form of "one seat" reference would be nice and = do-able for them I agree.
Nothing to hide, because all of their competitors know each others = price.

For one client, I am kind of in the same boat, but with a hardware = purchase.

Dell, clearly and simply lists the price on the web site...even though = they are kings of "a la cart" hardware.
HP, EMC, and others force me to "talk" to a re-seller for even = a clue as to the hardware cost!?

Low end, basic hardware is a commodity...and this info should be stable = and readily available.
Any sales person that we do meet with will not be happy nor want to work = with us for a $2k purchase...they will direct the conversation and = technical information to more expensive products and drill us for other = hardware purchases.

Advantage Dell!

Why can't the big hardware boys see that Dell is doing them, what M$ did = to Novell & Apple years ago...and what Linux has been doing to = UNIX.
It is not the Dell has the best hardware...they just make it cheap, = easy, and simple to get.  My god this same story plays out over and = over again.

Chris Marquez
Oracle DBA


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From: oracle-l-bounce@freelists.org on behalf of Post, Ethan
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http:/= /www.embarcadero.com/downloads/pricerequestform.jsp

Haven't we moved pass the "give us your contact details" and = we will
have a sales person call you to "discuss" pricing our pricing = *scheme* ?
Why can't I just see what a single seat license is going to cost? I = am
soooooo tired of this sort of thing and there are just too many = other
companies that want me money to hassle with this.

Somebody from Embarcadero listening?

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