From oracle-l-bounce@freelists.org Wed Feb 2 17:44:59 2005 Return-Path: Received: from air891.startdedicated.com (root@localhost) by orafaq.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j12NixAi011365 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 17:44:59 -0600 X-ClientAddr: 206.53.239.180 Received: from turing.freelists.org (freelists-180.iquest.net [206.53.239.180]) by air891.startdedicated.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j12Niwem011361 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 17:44:59 -0600 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4D1136CC31; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 17:44:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08765-10; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 17:44:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C4DA56CC52; Wed, 2 Feb 2005 17:44:02 -0500 (EST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=JKJPgx9i/Rfn9vpbJwmSMJx3uxwSslZBHQbYzDtDLNM4z0lRqw6cyi463IBkTLIc2qdtF4cDTDGR1HTqs1DcmopEFpequredIu2pcuIcEjf/VT80i0g25Iurcz2GULI1qvjv+Z8eMRYJM4nAS0y/ScNSCqGgb331F5bF92lgz9s= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 23:42:22 +0100 From: Alexander Gorbachev To: CMarquez@aarp.org Subject: Re: 10g RAC without vendor clusterware Cc: Koen.Van_Langenhove@siemens.com, oracle-l@freelists.org In-Reply-To: <7E412C164E6ECB468834A39F31E6E0D406689033@mbs06dc.na.aarp.int> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <7E412C164E6ECB468834A39F31E6E0D406689033@mbs06dc.na.aarp.int> X-archive-position: 15711 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: oracle-l-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: oracle-l-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: gorbyx@gmail.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: gorbyx@gmail.com X-list: oracle-l X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on air891.startdedicated.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=ham version=2.60 X-Spam-Level: Chris, Oracle positions its clusterware to be used INSTEAD of 3-rd party products. ASM there plays role of volume management. Oracle CRS can work standalone as well as on top of your existing clusterware (if supported depending on vendor/platform). So in latter case you don't lose it... in the fist case you just don't have it with Oracle CRS. :) Btw, if you know that ASM is in fact an Oracle database running in mount state without any datafiles, would you ever seriously consider using it?! ;-) And guess what? When this central ASM instance goes down, all databases connected to it (read using ASM) are going down as well. Regards, Alex > I have zero experience with 10g RAC, but a I was talking to another DBA = > who was looking in the same thing. > He believed that with a 3rd party clusterware, you would HAVE TO use = > Oracle storage manager - ASM? which is *new* software/process AND you = > don't get all of the other benefits that a modern Cluster Manager = > would/might provide. You would/might loose NIC/IP failover, filesystem = > failover, etc...all things the Oracle can live without but you = > applications may not? > > Take all of this with a grain of salt...and share what you find out. > > Chris Marquez -- Best regards, Alex Gorbachev -- http://www.freelists.org/webpage/oracle-l