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Subject: RE: Funny sort of question re sys password
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Tell them that the proof is in the pudding. Challenge them to a $10 bet; =
get out a stopwatch; and sit them at a computer. If they succeed, it =
will be $10 well spent to expose a security weakness. Otherwise enjoy =
the $10 and watching them squirm.

Jerry Whittle
ASIFICS DBA
NCI Information Systems Inc.
jerome.whittle@scott.af.mil
618-622-4145

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Nuno Souto [SMTP:dbvision@optusnet.com.au]
>=20
> Someone at work maintains that it takes them 10 minutes to=20
> break the Oracle SYS password security.
>=20
> And the Sun boof-head (a different person and I use the=20
> term loosely...) assures me he's capable of doing so any time=20
> he wants.
>=20
> Now, I've been away from this security stuff for a year or so and
> I may well be wrong here, but breaking the password security=20
> means cracking the Oracle encryption.  While this may be possible,
> I can't believe it only takes 10 minutes?
>=20
> Wouldn't it rather be a case of social engineering at work?
> Or just a plain vanilla "change_on_install" case?
>=20
> <says he who used to change it to "changed",=20
> with the obvious funny consequences>
> Cheers
> Nuno Souto
> nsouto@optusnet.com.au
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<P><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">Tell them that the proof is in the pudding. Challenge =
them to a $10 bet; get out a stopwatch; and sit them at a computer. If =
they succeed, it will be $10 well spent to expose a security weakness. =
Otherwise enjoy the $10 and watching them squirm.</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">Jerry Whittle</FONT></SPAN>

<BR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">ASIFICS DBA</FONT></SPAN>

<BR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">NCI Information Systems =
Inc.</FONT></SPAN>

<BR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT =
FACE=3D"Arial">jerome.whittle@scott.af.mil</FONT></SPAN>

<BR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">618-622-4145</FONT></SPAN>
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<P><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D1 FACE=3D"Arial">-----Original =
Message-----</FONT></SPAN>

<BR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><B><FONT SIZE=3D1 =
FACE=3D"Arial">From:&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></B> <FONT SIZE=3D1 =
FACE=3D"Arial">Nuno Souto [SMTP:dbvision@optusnet.com.au]</FONT></SPAN>
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<P><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Someone at work =
maintains that it takes them 10 minutes to </FONT></SPAN>

<BR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">break the Oracle =
SYS password security.</FONT></SPAN>
</P>

<P><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">And the Sun =
boof-head (a different person and I use the </FONT></SPAN>

<BR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">term loosely...) =
assures me he's capable of doing so any time </FONT></SPAN>

<BR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">he =
wants.</FONT></SPAN>
</P>

<P><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Now, I've been =
away from this security stuff for a year or so and</FONT></SPAN>

<BR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">I may well be =
wrong here, but breaking the password security </FONT></SPAN>

<BR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">means cracking =
the Oracle encryption.&nbsp; While this may be possible,</FONT></SPAN>

<BR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">I can't believe =
it only takes 10 minutes?</FONT></SPAN>
</P>

<P><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Wouldn't it rather =
be a case of social engineering at work?</FONT></SPAN>

<BR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Or just a plain =
vanilla &quot;change_on_install&quot; case?</FONT></SPAN>
</P>

<P><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&lt;says he who =
used to change it to &quot;changed&quot;, </FONT></SPAN>

<BR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">with the obvious =
funny consequences&gt;</FONT></SPAN>

<BR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">Cheers</FONT></SPAN>

<BR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Nuno =
Souto</FONT></SPAN>

<BR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">nsouto@optusnet.com.au</FONT></SPAN>
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