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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3D"Comic Sans =
MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:blue'>Well, =
first
thing that needs to be noted is that &#8220;24 x 7 x 365&#8221; =
indicates
uptime for 7 years, which always gives me a chuckle when people say =
it.<span
style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp; </span>Mind you, I&#8217;ve been =
guilty of
saying it too!<span style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp; =
</span></span></font><font
size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DWingdings><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Wingdings;mso-ascii-font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";mso-hansi-font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
color:blue;mso-char-type:symbol;mso-symbol-font-family:Wingdings'><span
style=3D'mso-char-type:symbol;mso-symbol-font-family:Wingdings'>J</span><=
/span></font><font
size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3D"Comic Sans MS"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:blue'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3D"Comic Sans =
MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";color:blue'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3D"Comic Sans =
MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:blue'>And =
probably
the second thing that needs to be said is that no single product =
addresses true
HA requirements.<span style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp; </span>RAC is no
different to that.<span style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp; </span>It =
provides
machine failover capability, and while it can be stretched to a certain =
extent
to give the illusion of site failover capability, you would still need =
someone
like DataGuard to address issues such as human error correction.<span
style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp; </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3D"Comic Sans =
MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";color:blue'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3D"Comic Sans =
MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:blue'>And =
probably
the third thing that needs to be said is that it&#8217;s not just a =
technology
thing.<span style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp; </span>If you don&#8217;t =
have
robust change control, for example, a simple coding error can ensure you =
don&#8217;t
meet your availability requirements.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3D"Comic Sans =
MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";color:blue'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3D"Comic Sans =
MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";color:blue'>&lt;Shameless
plug&gt; And probably the fourth thing that needs to be said is that =
it&#8217;s
all covered in one of my papers at RMOUG Training Days next February, =
Real
Business Continuity with Oracle10g &lt;/Shameless plug&gt;.<span
style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></span></font><font =
size=3D2
color=3Dblue face=3DWingdings><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;
mso-ascii-font-family:"Comic Sans MS";mso-hansi-font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";
color:blue;mso-char-type:symbol;mso-symbol-font-family:Wingdings'><span
style=3D'mso-char-type:symbol;mso-symbol-font-family:Wingdings'>J</span><=
/span></font><font
size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3D"Comic Sans MS"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:blue'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3D"Comic Sans =
MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";color:blue'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoAutoSig><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3D"Comic Sans =
MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic =
Sans MS";
color:blue;mso-no-proof:yes'>Pete<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoAutoSig><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3D"Comic Sans =
MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Comic =
Sans MS";
color:blue;mso-no-proof:yes'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoAutoSig><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3D"Comic Sans =
MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic =
Sans MS";
color:blue;mso-no-proof:yes'>&quot;Controlling developers is like =
herding
cats.&quot;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoAutoSig><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3D"Comic Sans =
MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic =
Sans MS";
color:blue;mso-no-proof:yes'>Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA =
Handbook<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoAutoSig><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3D"Comic Sans =
MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic =
Sans MS";
color:blue;mso-no-proof:yes'>&quot;Oh no, it's not.<span
style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp; </span>It's much harder than =
that!&quot;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoAutoSig><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3D"Comic Sans =
MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Comic =
Sans MS";
color:blue;mso-no-proof:yes'>Bruce Pihlamae, long-term Oracle =
DBA<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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[mailto:ml-errors@fatcity.com] <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On =
Behalf Of </span></b>Tracy
Rahmlow<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, December =
11, 2003
3:44 AM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Multiple recipients =
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> 24 x 7 x =
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<font size=3D2 face=3Dsans-serif><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif'>Our
company would like to know whether or not Oracle supports true 24x7x365
availability for an oltp database. &nbsp;We currently are using the =
8.1.7
enterprise edition. &nbsp;Does an architecture exist whereby we can =
upgrade the
database and/or operating system and not cause an outage? &nbsp;Will RAC =
solve
this issue? &nbsp;Are there any other areas of concerns that I should be
thinking about? &nbsp;For example, analyzing with the validate clause =
and its
impacts on the transaction system. &nbsp;Thanks</span></font> =
<o:p></o:p></p>

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