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Do you see outsourcing orientation to the canned products in Germany? I
imagined
that Siemens, Software AG, MBB (Airbus) and some other companies must be
doing
heavy development there, and that, given the language barrier, the supply
for the
off the shelf products is not as good as here in the US. The analysis from
my earlier
message was depicting my view of the situation here in the US. Situation is
probably
very similar in UK, because their language is very similar to the American
(why don't
they adopt the ANSI spelling rules, so that I don't have to think about
"rumour",
"humour", "colour", "pavement", "tube", "fag" and alike?), but I wasn't so
sure about
the rest of the EU.
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Mladen Gogala
Oracle DBA
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Stefan Jahnke
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 1:00 PM
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Hi Mladen
I guess you summarized the whole drama of "IT today" pretty well. I'm already VERY concerned about the near future (esp. as a former developer, now more DBA/Data Manager guy). What's left to do, or to concentrate on, when development will be shipped to elsewhere and DBAing means "Hey Joe, just keep the thingy running ..." kind of work (Also looks like a good opportunitiy for a neat salary ... nooot). Move over to become a business analyst type (ouch, how boring), ... do BI, like Data Mining/Statistics ?! Who knows.
Stefan
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Von: Mladen Gogala [mailto:mladen_at_wangtrading.com]
Gesendet: Freitag, 22. August 2003 17:49
An: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Betreff: RE: Nature of Oracle-l has changed
There is another thing happening: companies are more and more relying on
canned,
off the shelf applications, in a hope to become "compliant with present
standards". That has dramatically cut down the number of needed developers,
because if you don't have to develop your general ledger, payroll, CRM and
HR software, you only need
IT staffers to monitor production.
That is why I think that Jonathan Lewis is wrong in his "Practical
Databases" when he talks about "DBA being a repository of knowledge". No,
the role of the DBA today is the one of a crane operator: "just get the
darned thing going, buddy". DBA is a mechanic that fixes database when it's
slow, and that's it. The business role of IT is no longer
to be at the forefront of the organization, but to keep thins running and do
what business people tell them to do. Companies are no longer doing
development are leaving cooking to the cooks and software development to the
big software companies. One of the reasons is also the culture clash among
very well educated, liberal and hippie computer geeks and somewhat less
educated "old school" drill sergeant type managers who want
everybody to be at their desks at 7:30, cleanly shaven, no jeans, no "surf
naked" Dilbert
T-shirts or "I am a DMCA circumvention device" T-shirts. Basically, what I'm
noticing is sort of "returning to the roots" cultural movement where
business management no longer wants to tolerate the laid back IT culture.
When cost cutting decisions are made, IT people are the 1st to go. They
stil need DBA's because they'd better have somebody monitoring their
multi-TB databases, but development is no longer necessary. IT applications
are going to be as standardized as a stapler, so there is less and less need
for development. Friends, we're dinosaurs, a dying breed. I'm considering a
career of a second
hand car salesman or a real estate agent.
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Mladen Gogala
Oracle DBA
-----Original Message-----
Stephane Paquette
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 10:29 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
That's why my post on historic tables and views seem lonely ....;-)
Stephane
-----Original Message-----
Jared Still
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 2:19 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Has anyone else noticed?
Not so long ago, we saw quite a few more questions about such things as data modeling, application security architecture, physical database design, and Oracle Designer
Not so much anymore.
Do you think it's because there are so few development projects taking place? Seems like in house development died with the dot bomb and has not begun to recover.
I know at my place of employment there is very little development, but that is due more to the size and nature of this place, as well as the management. ( they don't like in house development :( )
Now I spend my days with stuff like making NetBackup work with Oracle, migrating SAP all over the place and keeping things running.
Not that we haven't always done those things, but I miss some not having a good development project. Ah, to do some real data modeling again.
Just some food for thought.
Jared
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