RE: Oracle Untested Infuriator

Steve has already gone home for the day. He was kind of blue in the face. :>)

--Walt Weaver
  Bozememan, Montana

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mercadante, Thomas F [mailto:NDATFM_at_labor.state.ny.us]
> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 12:17 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> Subject: RE: Oracle Untested Infuriator
>
>
> take a breath Steve!
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 12:07 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
> Or when you know the patch won't address the issue despite
> OWS' insistance
> so you argue with them about it and they don't give in so you
> humor them by
> going through the motions with the patch which may even
> entail some downtime
> and after going through this ordeal you eventually prove to
> them that this
> was a wild goose chase and ask them to really look into the
> problem this
> time after which they finally abandonned their kneejerk
> "upgrade to the next
> patch" response and eventually contact somebody who knows
> something about
> how the oracle works and gives you the "real" solution and
> you go through
> the motions again and "finally" fix the original problem only
> to find out a
> day later that the fix created two more tangentially related
> problems which
> you report to OWS so you can go through this wonderful fixing
> cycle again
> repeated two times over after which you try to maintain the pitch with
> damagement and your non-DBA collegues that Oracle really is the best
> database around knowing !
> all along that you've been here before and probably will be here again
> someday in the future.
>
>
> Fan of that little girl in the hotel with the run-on
> sentences... what's her
> name?
> - Steve
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 9:12 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
> Ruth - And then what I love is when it turns out it wasn't
> the patch at all,
> but something different entirely!
>
> Dennis Williams
> DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA
> Lifetouch, Inc.
> dwilliams_at_lifetouch.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 9:53 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
> I love it when you think it is your stupidity so you try
> something 5 times,
> finally call Support, and they say "Oh, you found the xyz
> bug! You have to
> patch xyz to xyza." If it's a known bug, at least put a note
> on the disk,
> "don't use this until you have patched it" or something like
> that. A yellow
> sticky note would save hours of valuable time!!!
>
> End rant,
> Ruth
> ----- Original Message -----
> To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 2:13 PM
>
>
> > Hi Jeremiah,
> >
> > Now that was a RIGHTEOUS rant I can identify with! A
> glorious indignation
> indeed. Don't you just want to stick your head out the window
> and shout:
> "I'm as mad a hell and I'm not taking it anymore!" ??
> >
> > Have you ever felt dumb confessing to an SA that, as a
> seasoned DBA you're
> having difficulties installing the product? If so stand strong in the
> knowledge that it's not you who's dumb. Seasoned SA's will understand.
> Meanwhile damagement wonders why it takes so long to merely install
> software. Not very good PR Mr. Larry E. You only have one
> chance to make
> you're best first impression and you blew it right out the
> gate with this
> OUI crap.
> >
> > OK, I feel better... for now. :-)
> >
> > Steve Orr
> > Bozeman, MT
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 11:27 AM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> > Speaking of GUIs, lets hear it for the most horrendous GUI of them
> > all, the nearly unusable Oracle Universal Installer.
> >
> > Although I avoid it religiously, opting to copy around tarballs
> > instead, I still occasionally must run the installer on my master
> > installation.
> >
> > Well, the master copy is in Seattle and I am in London.
> Why? because
> > you have to have a dedicated host not running any instances
> for use as
> > the master install location, due to the fact that the ORACLE_HOME is
> > hardcoded into all sorts of files, and the thing refuses to run if
> > there is an instance running, even if it isn't going to
> touch anything
> > that instance is using. If you install in an alternate directory of
> > one of your normal servers, you can never upgrade the thing.
> >
> > Although our WAN is fairly fast, it is no match for the OUI. You
> > click a button, and 60 seconds later it visibly depresses. Then you
> > wait for the results. Today I discovered that if you
> install 9.2 and
> > patch it up to 9.2.0.3, you can't add components like JDBC drivers
> > etc. from media without having the OUI automatically DOWNGRADE the
> > Oracle Server binaries in the process. Sure you can copy them into
> > place manually, but they won't get picked up in future upgrades with
> > the... OUI!!
> >
> > Combine that with incorrect instructions, faulty readme
> files and just
> > flat out non-QA'd software (oops forgot to make that file executable
> > in the distribution!), and you get one frustrated DBA.
> >
> > All I can say is the OUI is the biggest piece of crap
> Oracle has ever
> > produced (maybe I am forgetting Oracle Mail). I can't believe they
> > haven't rearchitected it since its fateful inception and
> the demise of
> > orainst. Who wouldn't give up a finger to have character
> mode orainst
> > back?
> >
> > If I wrote a reliable character mode perl script that does the same
> > thing as runInstaller, does anyone think I could sell it?
> >
> > The OUI has blown so much of my time this week. Companies should
> > start asking Oracle for license fee discounts equal to the
> time their
> > expensive DBAs flush down the toilet running the OUI and
> screwing with
> > broken Oracle software (We have over 10 one-off patches on top of
> > 9.2.0.3).
> >
> > I hereby declare that I will use all of my powers to get the present
> > OUI scrapped in time for 10i. Stay tuned for updates.
> >
> > --
> > Jeremiah Wilton
> > http://www.speakeasy.net/~jwilton
> >
> > On Tue, 20 May 2003, Freeman Robert - IL wrote:
> >
> > > As for me and my house, we will choose manual migrations
> over GUI any
> time.
> > >
> > >
> > > Robert 12:23-24
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > > Sent: 5/20/2003 9:31 AM
> > >
> > > No problem, you are more than welcome and for your
> sarcasm, when you've
> > > reached the point where you have done oracle work for 12
> years(yes clear
> > > back to BEFORE MIGRATION ASSISTANTS EXISTED), you can feel free to
> > > verbally abuse me, in the mean time:
> > >
> > > BYTE ME.
> > >
> > > joe
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >Thanx a lot for your valuable info' JOE.
> > > >
> > > >Regards,
> > > >Jp.
> > >
> > > 19-5-2003 12:27:52, Joe Testa <jtesta_at_dmc-it.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > >>all migrations/upgrades are done manually, i've never
> trusted them
> > >
> > > dang
> > >
> > > >>gui tools
> > > >>joe
> > >
> > > Joseph S Testa
> > > Chief Technology Officer
> > > Data Management Consulting
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