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Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 12:01:32 -0800
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Just wait until they come out with the "Do My Job for Me" button!  ;-)

Snowy in Montana,
Steve


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There were a bunch of other features but the one that I most noticed
(and that they highlighted) was the patching one.

You can start/stop databases, check everything within the database etc
etc.

all pretty GUIs. It's not that OEM is bad, it's just that that one
feature scared me silly.  And I tend not to like GUIs as they don't
always run properly when I am logged in from home, or I don't have it
installed on my machine at home etc etc. so I still like to get
"hands-on" with the database.

Rachel

--- Nelson  Flores <nflores@intec.cl> wrote:
> You've got to be kidding!!! A fat lot of use that is considering that
> the
> number one of Basic security Rules is to not have Internet access on
> the DB
> Machine ... Rachel, are there features other than changing the whole
> management system from Java to Web ? 
> (I'm guessing OEM is Explorer 5 compatible ;) )
> 
> Nelson Flores
> Project Manager
> INTEC
> 
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: Rachel Carmichael [mailto:wisernet100@yahoo.com] 
> Enviado el: Lunes, 05 de Mayo de 2003 10:22
> Para: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> Asunto: Re: Oracle 10
> 
> We got a preview of the new OEM during Andy Mendelsohn's talk.
> 
> HTML-based, what *really* scared me is that Oracle is just NOT
> listening. They demo'd OEM's ability to track what patches you need
> to
> apply, go out to the net (Metalink), download the patch and apply it.
> Automatically.
> 
> See, I don't know about anyone else, but my production database
> servers
> sit behind several firewalls. And have no direct connection to the
> net.
> Nor do we want one. 
> 
> Oracle has been saying "administer your database from the web" since
> version 8 (I had a conversation with Ken Jacobs at an NYOUG meeting
> back then, trying to tell him why that was a BAD thing). Then they
> release alerts that say that the listener is vulnerable to attack and
> break-in. Then they demo a product that will open a connection to the
> net from my protected servers.
> 
> Oh yeah, I'm gonna use OEM for that feature. NOT.
> 
> Rachel
> --- "Boivin, Patrice J" <BoivinP@mar.dfo-mpo.gc.ca> wrote:
> > So, did you get to see Oracle 10 in action at the IOUG?
> > 
> > I wasn't there, but am curious.
> > 
> > Patrice.
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> > Author: Boivin, Patrice J
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